(March 19, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Hammy Wrote:(March 18, 2018 at 10:25 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: I don't know man, I feel like you're breaking it down to only physical attraction. There's plenty of reasons to be no longer attracted to someone if you find something out about them personally. Personally I wouldn't want to date/have sex with someone that used to be a man, even if they're passing as a woman. It would kill the attraction for me on a mental level. I'm sure there are a lot of people that may be physically attracted to someone and lose that attraction when they find out the person is: unfunny, boring, used to be a criminal, etc.
I literally don't care what anyone else does or is attracted to. I'm just.not attracted to that.
You're an idiot.
I was specifically talking about the very opposite of physical attraction. I was saying that if you're attracted to a person and you then discover that they were born a different sex to they actually are, and then you PRETEND to no longer be attracted to them and lie to yourself due to a phobia, then you're a transphobic bigot in denial. That's what I'm saying. If you find someone attractive, then you find them attractive.
"EW I THOUGHT THEY WERE HOT BUT THEY 'USED TO BE A MAN' SO I CAN'T BELIEVE I FOUND THEM HOT THEY DISGUST ME NOW'" is something a transphobe says after pretending to no longer be attracted when they are. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
Jeez this is a fucking mess. I'm sorry bud I think you're the one confused here and you're arguing completely from emotion. You ARE literally talking about physical attraction. Your example is that you see someone that is "HOT" who happens to be a trans woman. You seem to think that if you find someone physically attractive there should be nothing else that can sway a person from no longer being attracted to them. My point is that there are non physical things that can turn someone that you initially find physically attractive into an unattractive person. I could meet an absolute 10/10, smokeshow woman and be completely physically attracted to her. Then after speaking with her I find out that her hobby is drowning puppies on the weekends. I am no longer attracted to her.
I may find a transwoman physically attractive, then find out she used to be a dude. I'm not disgusted. I'm not ashamed of myself or my sexuality that I initially found her attractive. I'm just no longer interested. I'll send her your way and wish you both the best.
(March 19, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Hammy Wrote: And yeah, no, a transwoman, for example, did NOT 'used to be a man' and statements like that once again testify to transphobia.
This shit I seriously laugh at. I'm assuming this is one of those, "A transwoman has always been a woman" things, which is just ludicrous. Look, if a transwoman wants to be called a woman I will do so, it's really not that difficult for me to do. What I won't do, is disregard basic biology and claim that they were never a man. It's really shocking to find someone, in an atheist forum of all places, that is completely willing to throw the science book out of the window because they believe that how someone feels should override science.
Fuck it, I'm making a claim! God exists! I haven't found any evidence or proof that God exists, I just feel like he does. Problem solved.
(March 19, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Hammy Wrote: And the point is that finding out what biological sex someone was porn as perfectly is not 'finding out' something unattractive about someone, it's an irrelevant detail unless you're a bigot.
If someone looks physically attractive to you and you find their personallty attractive and you find them all feminine and they literally have ALL the qualities that get you really sexually excited, and then you react with "ew" once you discover they were born with a diferent set of genitals, then you're a fucking bigot fucking perioid.
I feel like I already covered this in my first point, you kind of seem to be repeating yourself throughout this post. Like I said, arguing from emotion...theres just no structure.
I do want to bring up a point here though. Your post is riddled with accusations of transphobia and bigotry. Like literally it's almost entirely made of ad hom attacks. I don't fear trans people and I also don't hate them. I haven't claimed that trans people should have less rights and i haven't advocated for violence against them either. I think they should be free to make whatever personal choices that they wish to make. I'm fine with being friends with trans people, I just don't want to date or have sex with them. And I don't impose my personal choices upon you either.
In fact if I were to take a guess, I would put down money that we are probably about 95% aligned in our view points regarding trans people. But according to you the only thing that separates me from being completely tolerant and from being a piece of shit that wants to fag bash trans people, is just that I don't want to date them. You're the social justice version of "The Little Boy That Cried Wolf." You are literally doing more harm than good for this issue. I'm a pretty level headed guy and I stand pretty firm on my beliefs, but you could easily push someone away from being more tolerant just because you act like a stuck up dick. Honestly, I've been debating sprinkling the word "cuck" into my response the entire time not because I've ever been a MAGA bro, but just because I knew it would probably piss you off. And that's the reaction you're going to get from middle of the road, moderate people that are just plain unaware. They'll jump to the other side just to spite you.
(March 19, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Hammy Wrote: It's not about not being attracted to transpeople that makes you a bigot. I'm attracted to at least 50% of ciswomen and yet only like 1% of transwomen.... but the point is that on the few occasions that I do I find a transwomen attractive and I couldn't even tell that they weren't cis... if I then discover they're not cis I'm not going to suddenly retroactively act all disgusted and say "Ew" and no longer become attracted because I'm not a fucking bigoted moron. I'm not going to start PRETENDING to no longer be attracted because I'm not fucking phobic of anything or anyone that I find attractive and I'm perfectly secure and in touch with WHATEVER turns me on.
If a cisman ever looked enough like a ciswoman to turn me on I wouldn't suddenly pretend I didn't find them attractive once I discovered they're a dude either.
So far though, that's never happened. I've never seen one dude who identifies as a dude and is born as a dude who looks feminine enough for me to find attractive. All men look like either sweaty meatbags or pretty boys to me... neither of which I find attractive lol. And it doesn't make me a bigot to be thus far 100% straight and find men to be as unattractive as fuck... but it WOULD make me a bigot if I was attracted to a guy but I lied to myself and pretended not to be due to a homophobia. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. I'm open to the possiblity of one day perhaps finding a guy attractive, and if I ever did I would embrace that side of myself. Supposedly everyone has a little bit of a gay side to them so I guess I haven't found mine yet. But IMO perhaps most people are at least a little bit bisexual but I think I'm one of those few people who really are 100% hetero. The point is I wouldn't lie to myself or act all phobic if I were to find a person attractive... whether they're trans, cis a man a woman genderfluid gender neutral or whatever. I wouldn't lie to myself, I wouldn't be phobic and I wouldn't pretend I wasn't attracted to someone when I was.
Yes there are many things that you can discover about a person that really is a relevant turn off, but being turned off for a bigot reason, or PRETENDING to be, for a bigoted reason... is not one of them.
Again I feel like I covered all of this in the beginning, you just kind of rambled the same thing after the first three paragraphs. Now go make another Sound cloud audio file to REALLY get your point across you virtue signaling edgelord.
