(March 27, 2018 at 12:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: For starters, you have to show how the material thing get's something called "value". It's convenient if the value giver is me and I assume I have value because it makes me feel good and I want to feel good because I value myself. And it's convenient if evolution is true and we evolved developing a sense of value, and the greater a person believed in his own value, the better their survival chances and leaving their genes behind.
All that doesn't mean there is an actual justified belief. A justified belief is something base on truth that it sees. Are we that truth? If we are, how do we get our value from material brain and components from a point that it had no value? (like before there was life). It seems rather chaotic and arbitrary.
You have to justify the very thing as value. Sure it's convenient if evolution favors us valuing ourselves, that we would value ourselves, and the higher we value ourselves, the better we do, but is any of that based on anything but a feeling created by chemicals?
If a person doesn't believe they have much value, does it make it true? If a person believes he is more valuable than almost everyone on the earth, does it make true?
What is worse is if evolution framework is true, how we justified ourselves from the Atheistic framework, would not be through evolution theory and science and psychology, but actually stories and myths.
Some of them true some of them, some of them totally made up, some of them with elements of truth.
Yet we would evolved our magic concept of self worth with magical stories and myths of how we such value and why we are better than animals, and so on and so forth, and our higher calling, and etc..
Let's just start with some preliminaries, then. We'll ignore evolution in this conversation.
If it turned out that every human body was inhabited by an immaterial soul, would that mean that it deserves moral regard (just based on that)? Why or why not?
