I will become Atheist if.....

[Mister Agenda]

I am getting awfully bored...so I am going to give you guys the best opportunity to bring me to the dark side which will allow me to do all these things I really want to do but restrict myself from doing!


1. You can rationally justify belief in a value of a human being in the framework of Atheism (and I am using this definition as in non-belief in supernatural gods).
2. You can rationally justify you being the same person as a child with that framework, that despite all the changes, you are the same person.
3. You can rationally justify your actions being linked to who you are and there is a such thing as "better" or "worse" when it comes to humans.
4.  You can rationally justify the belief in justice with your framework.
5. You can rationally justify the nature of love that has language that judges all things and gives value to all things from your framework.

I am not saying you have to do all 5. You can do 1. Trust me, my faith will fall and shred, if you can and I'm not joking.  It will shred.

So ball is in your court.

Personally, I'd prefer you stay a theist until you can construct challenges that are coherent. There's only one reason to be an atheist, not being able to believe any deities are real. Five different ways of trying to shift the burden of proof is theist territory, and you're clearly not ready to venture outside of it.

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But I just want to see you justify framework of our humanity that no human does without the framework of Atheism. If you can justify any of the above in the framework of Atheism, I will leave Theism, because my Theism is built on the impossibility to justify any of these things from the framework of Atheism.

Atheism is not and cannot be a framework. It's just not believing in God, a single opinion on a single topic. It shouldn't even be capitalized unless it's at the beginning of a sentence or part of formal name (like International Society of Atheists or something). Theism isn't a framework either, buddy. It's just the belief that at least one deity really exists.

Your framework isn't theism. It's Islam. Islam is not theism, it is not a form of theism, it is a theistic religion. Theism is an adjective that applies to the Islamic religion. Buddhism is roughly agnostic, with room for atheism or theism. Humanism is atheistic in the sense that theism is superfluous to that moral philosophy. All these years and you're still making the category error of equating atheism to a religion.

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Does the Atheist framework work with what we are experiencing in the human experience.

If you can show it works.  You will shatter my faith.

You're incapable of learning that there is no 'Atheist Framework'. It's your own invention, or you got it off some other theist, it has nothing to do with us. If you can't learn that simple concept after years of exposure, why bother to try to convince you of anything?