Yes I've heard of that argument. Although I'm not ENTIRELY sure it disproves it...
For instance - if God's omnipotence, his infinite power allowed him to go against LOGIC ITSELF (if he so wished) - I.e.: 'he can do anything' - then that would include the ability to do things that were logically contradictory...because he's the creator of the universe and CREATED Logic in the first place - so he can go against it is he wishes (once again 'he can do anything' - he's entirely omnipotent) - so he can be omnipotent and omniscient even though it's logically contradictory.
Just an idea... (that I've thought of before) - I'm still not sure that an omnipotent and omniscient God is necessarily improved by contraction you see..
The question is perhaps - how COULD omniscience and omnipotence co-exist in a God EVEN IF he can do anything - if that's logically contradictory? I mean what would it consist of?
Well, I'd say that if you can't imagine it that doesn't disprove it. We don't know what it would entail nor have ANY idea what it would involve whatsoever (it just doesn't make ANY sense it's logically contradictory) - but that doesn't disprove it in and of itself...
I will simply say that if God is omnipotent so that 'he can do anything' then he could even DO logical contradictions if he created logic ITSELF. After all, if he CAN'T contradict logic then he's not omnipotent because there's something he can't do.
You could say that the omnipotence doesn't include the power to go beyond logic ITSELF - because that's impossible. But that means that God is no greater than logic itself. So God is either equal to or weaker than logic. So he can't be God if he can't defy logic because otherwise he's no more powerful than logic (itself).
I think if he's omnipotent and he can do ANYTHING he'd have to be able to defy logic itself perhaps...because if he can't then there's something he can't do.
Which means he's no bigger than logic. He can't work outside it - and NOTHING is supposed to be bigger than God. So either God is bigger than logic or God IS logic - or it isn't God by definition. Because if LOGIC is bigger than GOD - then Logic is God because God is the 'biggest' - i.e: 'the highest thing (or 'highest order'') - of all.
Or you could say that logic would be the highest thing in the universe; this universe is logical and for sake of argument I'm saying that then that would be God because 'that's the highest' but I still wouldn't CALL it God myself - because I define God as the supernatural creator of the universe. So if logic is God in the sense of the 'highest thing of all' then I still wouldn't actually CALL that God because it's not a supernatural creator...
If God is only as good as logic then God IS logic. If God is greater than logic then he CAN DO logical contractions (because he's above logic) so he CAN be omnipotent and omniscient. If God is WEAKER than Logic then it can't be God because nothing is 'greater' or 'higher' than God by (at least the common, I think) definition.
Hmm...gives me something to ponder about lol.
I find this interesting hehe.
EvF
For instance - if God's omnipotence, his infinite power allowed him to go against LOGIC ITSELF (if he so wished) - I.e.: 'he can do anything' - then that would include the ability to do things that were logically contradictory...because he's the creator of the universe and CREATED Logic in the first place - so he can go against it is he wishes (once again 'he can do anything' - he's entirely omnipotent) - so he can be omnipotent and omniscient even though it's logically contradictory.
Just an idea... (that I've thought of before) - I'm still not sure that an omnipotent and omniscient God is necessarily improved by contraction you see..
The question is perhaps - how COULD omniscience and omnipotence co-exist in a God EVEN IF he can do anything - if that's logically contradictory? I mean what would it consist of?
Well, I'd say that if you can't imagine it that doesn't disprove it. We don't know what it would entail nor have ANY idea what it would involve whatsoever (it just doesn't make ANY sense it's logically contradictory) - but that doesn't disprove it in and of itself...
I will simply say that if God is omnipotent so that 'he can do anything' then he could even DO logical contradictions if he created logic ITSELF. After all, if he CAN'T contradict logic then he's not omnipotent because there's something he can't do.
You could say that the omnipotence doesn't include the power to go beyond logic ITSELF - because that's impossible. But that means that God is no greater than logic itself. So God is either equal to or weaker than logic. So he can't be God if he can't defy logic because otherwise he's no more powerful than logic (itself).
I think if he's omnipotent and he can do ANYTHING he'd have to be able to defy logic itself perhaps...because if he can't then there's something he can't do.
Which means he's no bigger than logic. He can't work outside it - and NOTHING is supposed to be bigger than God. So either God is bigger than logic or God IS logic - or it isn't God by definition. Because if LOGIC is bigger than GOD - then Logic is God because God is the 'biggest' - i.e: 'the highest thing (or 'highest order'') - of all.
Or you could say that logic would be the highest thing in the universe; this universe is logical and for sake of argument I'm saying that then that would be God because 'that's the highest' but I still wouldn't CALL it God myself - because I define God as the supernatural creator of the universe. So if logic is God in the sense of the 'highest thing of all' then I still wouldn't actually CALL that God because it's not a supernatural creator...
If God is only as good as logic then God IS logic. If God is greater than logic then he CAN DO logical contractions (because he's above logic) so he CAN be omnipotent and omniscient. If God is WEAKER than Logic then it can't be God because nothing is 'greater' or 'higher' than God by (at least the common, I think) definition.
Hmm...gives me something to ponder about lol.
I find this interesting hehe.
EvF
