RE: Hadiths and deceivers.
April 21, 2018 at 6:44 am
(This post was last modified: April 21, 2018 at 6:48 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 21, 2018 at 6:35 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:(April 21, 2018 at 3:35 am)Khemikal Wrote: You realize that the same process was used to create magic book...don't you.....?
I take the Quran to be a special case, and accept the "leap of faith". I publicly admit it: I believed in the book due to the design of the universe, then the deeds it advocates -including charity, respecting others and defend one's self, family and friends, prohibition of pedophilia...etc-.
I won't claim that there is an evidence but that. To me personally; that is enough for me to believe:
I didn't ask you about your beliefs and I already knew that you thought magic book was special. I was asking whether or not you realized that the process you just criticized roundly as a game of desert phone tag was exactly the process used to cobble together magic book?
Quote:Heck; the universe is full of signs. If somebody saw the skies and what in the earth and still didn't think that there is an even slight chance that there is a God, then I will tell them to look again and again.Right, full of signs... that you can't or won't establish, and that you want to talk about now, instead of the above. Looking at things implies a god? NASA's website implies a god? The weather...implies a god?
So the argument from design is what I favor when I speak about God. Nobody will see the angels or demons in this life. There are already huge things out there; NASA's website is enough for us to see that God exists in my perspective. Even at ancient times, observing the environment -even today- is enough to see the hand of God shaping everything.
But that is not what humans usually want, usually humans want a show; they want headless knights with serpents and dragons flying above, and a huge monster with one-eye roaring. Outer space is boring. The Lord Of The Rings is exciting.
People do want all of those things, and magic books too. You'd understand that feeling better than I would, but I already knew that people wanted magic. So what? I'm simply looking for acknowledgement that you understand the simplest and most basic facts about magic book, and how it came to contain what it does.
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