RE: The Philosophy of Mind: Zombies, "radical emergence" and evidence of non-experiential
April 22, 2018 at 8:54 am
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 8:57 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 22, 2018 at 8:48 am)Hammy Wrote:I present.....all of human civilization. You don't think that's good enough to declare our conscious perception as selectively advantageous..but I really couldn't present a grander or more powerful example of something that is definitely -not- selectively neutral, that is a product of our conscious perceptions (defined however you want them to be).... so we're at an impasse.Quote:If that was the entire point you could stop at that..but you didn't because it isn't. You've been asserting that there is no evolutionary utility to consciousness.
That's what I just said. There's no evidence of it, and there's evidence to the contrary. The onus is on you to show that there is (I'm not expecting you to be capable of doing that). The point is that your position is most likely the incorrect one, and goes against the evidence.
Quote:If by "seems highly unlikely" you mean you're incredulous in face of all evidence to the contrary, then sure. I'll take that as an admission of your own irrationality then. You haven't actually got an argument, all you've got is your own incredulity.I was trying to be generous. I could just call you a loon who's wedded to his anxieties about free will and other people being wrong about everything, lol. I also find it unlikely that you could think that human culture and human civilization isn't advantageous, or that they are not..in human beings, a product of our conscious experiences.....but I've been wrong before.
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