(April 22, 2018 at 10:49 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 10:46 pm)Hammy Wrote: Despite the fact that even his own motives were ultimately predetermined by prior causes that he had no control over lol.
Then you are getting rid of “will” all together; free or otherwise. Likely also getting rid of conscienceness and reason. In which case, you didn’t come to this conclusion through reason.
I don't know how you come to that non-sequtur. Consciousness and will still exists whether it's free or not.