RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 22, 2018 at 11:35 pm
(This post was last modified: April 22, 2018 at 11:35 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 22, 2018 at 11:11 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(April 22, 2018 at 11:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I'm always being silly, Lut....but, am I helping you to see? Not that the universe -is- that way, but that if it were, our choices would not be meaningfully free?
I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing it.
Perhaps I have a blind spot in this particular instance regarding this discussion. Perhaps you're the one who can't see my perspective.
Either way, I respect your willingness to stick to your own as I am sticking to mine.
It's not really an issue of sticking to either of our anythings. It's not our contradictory bullshit and superstition, lol. Neither of us thinks that this god exists, neither of us thinks that the universe works that way, at least in this respect. You conceptualize future knowledge as a could be. I also think that accurately describes much or all of future knowledge in any common sense.
That's not the type of future knowledge being invoked, however. Will-be.
I'm asking you what choice you have if you -will- choose a. Suspend our common skepticism that this is how the world works - it doesn't have to be how the world works to be logical or make sense. It only needs to follow from it's propositions. What freedom is there in that choice..there's certainly no freedom to choose b.
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