RE: Oh no not another free will thread.
April 23, 2018 at 1:27 pm
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2018 at 1:27 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(April 23, 2018 at 1:17 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 11:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I see it as God being able to see past present and future simultaneously and all at once, because He is outside of time. While we can only see the present because we are bound by time. Think of it as God having the ability to see a cube at an angle, seeing 3 faces of it at a glance (3 squares, if you will.) Let's say we are on one of those squares. All we can see is the square we are currently on. The "present" square.
If the past, present, and future can be seen simultaneously by God, then the past, present, and future simultaneously exist, by necessity. Presentism is the idea that only the present moment exists. If presentism is true, then God cannot see the past nor the future as neither of those exists. You can't see something which doesn't exist. You can predict the future, but that's not knowledge. What you are implicitly describing is the B theory of time in which the future in some sense necessarily already exists. Under the B theory of time, free will becomes incoherent as the choices have already essentially been made already at the inception of existence.
Unless I'm missing something here, I dont see how it makes much sense to say the past and present dont exist? Yesterday happened, and unless time itself ceases, tomorrow will happen as well. Obviously they just don't exist in the present moment, if that's what you mean. But if there is a God and if time doesn't apply to such God, then the restriction is irrelevant.
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