Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 8, 2024, 4:53 am

Poll: Are you a lumper or a splitter?
This poll is closed.
I'm a lumper. Humans are just another kind of animal.
58.06%
18 58.06%
I'm a splitter. Humans are unique and different from the animals.
9.68%
3 9.68%
I don't know.
22.58%
7 22.58%
To hell with all polls!
9.68%
3 9.68%
Total 31 vote(s) 100%
* You voted for this item. [Show Results]

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Are you a lumper or a splitter?
#48
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter?
(April 26, 2018 at 11:35 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Again, measurement of “special” has to have an stated objective to be meaningful.  98% of our genes may be the same as those of a chimp.  But what does that really signify?  To say that makes us basically the same as something which shares 98% is a rather fast and loose value judgement devoid of clear definition of what “special” is meant to inform.   You can no more fuck a chimp to produce an fertile offspring than you can with a sea anemone.   But you may be able to reconstruct lots of missing DNA in humans with the DNA from chimps without too much loss in fidelity.   Which is it that you are trying to do seem to inform whether humans ought to be regarded as special?  No?

The point is we're no more "special" than any other animal. We're creatures that evolved, and evolved intelligence.

It begs the question to merely define our specialness as the way we are, as intelligent beings.

What I mean is there isn't a sound argument for saying that we're special.

The most we could do is define ourselves that way for pragmatic reasons. There may be reasons for it to be useful to consider us different, or special, to split us. That's different to saying that we're actually special.

All creatures are unique and special in their own way. Like I said, there could have been other animals that developed the technology that we do if we hadn't killed and fucked them out of existence. Let's not compare apples to oranges: yes we can't breed with Chimps but we could breed with neanderthals. And we did. And what makes us "special" compared to them could merely be the fact that we fucked and murdered them out of existence. If it were not for us, it could have perhaps been neanderthals that ended up going to the moon and inventing calculus instead of homo sapiens sapiens.

Quote:If you stand Gandhi next to hitler, you’d find they share far more then 98% of their genes, more like 99.99% of their genes. It is therefore informative for most purposes to say they are essentially identical?

That's a really bad analogy lol. And a strawman considering I'm not saying we're identical, or even essenially identical. It just makes no sense on an atheistic basis to say we're "special" for anything but pragmatic reasons. From a biological perspective we're just another species that has evolved. Nature doesn't give a fuck about the fact we sent people to the moon. We give a fuck about it. It begs the question to define ourselves as special based on our own judgements about what it means to be special lol. It's total speciesism. And special pleading.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Angrboda - April 24, 2018 at 11:38 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by FatAndFaithless - April 24, 2018 at 11:45 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Joods - April 24, 2018 at 1:11 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by GUBU - April 24, 2018 at 11:47 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Catholic_Lady - April 24, 2018 at 11:49 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by SaStrike - April 24, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Catholic_Lady - April 24, 2018 at 12:45 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Nay_Sayer - April 25, 2018 at 11:04 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Whateverist - April 24, 2018 at 2:47 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Minimalist - April 24, 2018 at 12:35 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 24, 2018 at 1:15 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 24, 2018 at 2:58 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by CapnAwesome - April 25, 2018 at 11:47 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 25, 2018 at 1:56 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by CapnAwesome - April 26, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 24, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 24, 2018 at 1:13 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by purplepurpose - April 24, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 24, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by brewer - April 24, 2018 at 1:40 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 24, 2018 at 1:43 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by polymath257 - April 24, 2018 at 1:48 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 24, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by polymath257 - April 24, 2018 at 1:58 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Fireball - April 24, 2018 at 3:00 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 24, 2018 at 4:28 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Fireball - April 24, 2018 at 11:36 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 24, 2018 at 2:08 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by robvalue - April 24, 2018 at 3:52 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by paulpablo - April 24, 2018 at 5:15 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 24, 2018 at 5:20 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 24, 2018 at 5:25 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 24, 2018 at 5:29 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by ignoramus - April 24, 2018 at 6:51 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Little lunch - April 24, 2018 at 11:20 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by purplepurpose - April 25, 2018 at 4:37 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Mister Agenda - April 25, 2018 at 11:47 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 25, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by CapnAwesome - April 26, 2018 at 12:29 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by robvalue - April 26, 2018 at 1:06 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2018 at 2:40 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 26, 2018 at 4:14 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2018 at 11:35 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Edwardo Piet - April 26, 2018 at 12:16 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Brian37 - April 26, 2018 at 12:51 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2018 at 12:56 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Brian37 - April 26, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Brian37 - April 26, 2018 at 1:22 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Sal - April 26, 2018 at 11:39 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Angrboda - April 26, 2018 at 11:54 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2018 at 12:19 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Mermaid - April 26, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Brian37 - April 26, 2018 at 12:21 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2018 at 1:29 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Brian37 - April 26, 2018 at 1:43 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2018 at 1:53 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Little lunch - April 27, 2018 at 9:52 am
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by Anomalocaris - April 27, 2018 at 5:34 pm
RE: Are you a lumper or a splitter? - by The Grand Nudger - April 27, 2018 at 4:51 pm



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)