RE: The Bellhop Problem
May 1, 2018 at 10:54 am
(This post was last modified: May 1, 2018 at 10:59 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 1, 2018 at 7:38 am)Grandizer Wrote: Depends on how "lost" is being defined. If by loss, we're also including loss in terms of the item value, then the store owner also loses 70$ because instead of earning 70$, they get 70% of the stolen money back (not new money).
Yeah so that seems more like an equivocation than a problem.
Quote:The issue is that some of the standard assumptions, according to the author, are not warranted per the wording/description of the original problem that was answered by Marilyn vos Savant. For example, the assumption that Monty would choose a door randomly (given a choice, that is). Not saying I'm not iffy about his reasoning, but I can't help but think he may have a point being "nitpicky" about the assumptions.
Ha! Yes the assumptions are not warranted by the wording and it's only after the answer is revealed when you think "WTF? But no one told me about those assumptions" that it makes sense. It makes sense after you understand it because part of the understanding it is accepting the assumptions that were never presented.
Once again... seems like it's down to another equivocation. There are many ways of interpreting what was said. Or in this case perhaps it wasn't even expressed?
But all apparent paradoxes I am convinced are down to semantic errors (commonly equvocation) and the limits of language... rather than down to any so-called real paradox. The so-called real ones are one that are supposedly unanswered. And many of them are but that doesn't mean they always will be... and even if they will always be... again I think that's down to the limits of our language.
Some of them like the Liar's Paradox I believe have actually already been solved.
If you're curious this is the solution to the Liar's Paradox that I 100% accept:
Quote:Arthur Prior asserts that there is nothing paradoxical about the liar paradox. His claim (which he attributes to Charles Sanders Peirce and John Buridan) is that every statement includes an implicit assertion of its own truth. Thus, for example, the statement "It is true that two plus two equals four" contains no more information than the statement "two plus two equals four", because the phrase "it is true that..." is always implicitly there. And in the self-referential spirit of the Liar Paradox, the phrase "it is true that..." is equivalent to "this whole statement is true and ...".
Thus the following two statements are equivalent:
This statement is false.
This statement is true and this statement is false.
The latter is a simple contradiction of the form "A and not A", and hence is false. There is therefore no paradox because the claim that this two-conjunct Liar is false does not lead to a contradiction. Eugene Mills and Neil Lefebvre and Melissa Schelein present similar answers.
Quote:What's your proposed solution to the Liar Paradox?
See above

Quote: How I see it is there is no such thing as an absolute unconditional liar who makes such statements.
I don't think that that resolves the paradox at all as it's not about lying or dishonesty or whether such a person could exist or not (whether such a person could exist or not is synthetic matter but the Liar's Paradox is an analytic one). The paradox is about how when you assume the sentence "this sentence is false" is true it becomes false and when you assume it is false it becomes true. But the reality of the matter is it only appears that way for the reason quoted above in the solution I accept.
Quote:The best liar can still potentially say truths here and there, even if to this point they have yet to tell a truth. But I admit I have not really thought this through seriously, so perhaps I'm missing something here.
That is more of an empirical matter than a logical matter... and even if the liar always lied the question is not whether they are lying but whether it's really true that the statement "this statement is false" leads to it becoming true if taken as false and leads to it becoming false if taken as true. It's called the liar's paradox... but it isn't really about lying... because people can lie about something that is actually true just as someone can be mistaken about something they honestly assert.
Quote:Alfred Tarski diagnosed the paradox as arising only in languages that are "semantically closed", by which he meant a language in which it is possible for one sentence to predicate truth (or falsehood) of another sentence in the same language (or even of itself). To avoid self-contradiction, it is necessary when discussing truth values to envision levels of languages, each of which can predicate truth (or falsehood) only of languages at a lower level. So, when one sentence refers to the truth-value of another, it is semantically higher. The sentence referred to is part of the "object language", while the referring sentence is considered to be a part of a "meta-language" with respect to the object language. It is legitimate for sentences in "languages" higher on the semantic hierarchy to refer to sentences lower in the "language" hierarchy, but not the other way around. This prevents a system from becoming self-referential.
Unfortunately, this system is incomplete. One would like to be able to make statements such as "For every statement in level α of the hierarchy, there is a statement at level α+1 which asserts that the first statement is false." This is a true, meaningful statement about the hierarchy that Tarski defines, but it refers to statements at every level of the hierarchy, so it must be above every level of the hierarchy, and is therefore not possible within the hierarchy (although bounded versions of the sentence are possible).
I don't like that response because 1. I think that the objection to Tarski's solution given at the end is valid rendering his solution false and 2. I much prefer Arthur Prior's answer and, at least to me, it is very clearly correct. I find it very curious that it's not accepted universally but of course that's why paradoxes stick around: because they're so counterintutiive that even when they've been solved many people disagree that they've been solved.