The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God

[Amarok]

The way I see it, for there to be universal moral laws, there needs to be a law giver.

That's why I don't think it would make sense for an atheist to say they think morality is objective. But most don't.

Legality is not the same as morality And their are tons of atheist moral realists

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Legality and morality are not the same subject.  Moral realism depends on the existence of moral facts..not a moral fact giver.  Referencing laws as having a requirement of lawgivers in an ethical context isn't entirely wrong (deontology), but those laws don't have to be examples of moral realism.....and often, aren't.  Gods Law™ is not objective morality.  It's just gods law.  Moral realism isn't about whether or not some schmuck chisels things into stone, though schmucks -do- chisel things into stone and people commonly mistake that for moral realism.

Yup an arbitrary set of commands does not moral facts make