Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 2, 2024, 5:13 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
First Holy Communion (reflections)
#5
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections)
Observing Roman Catholic (and Orthodox) worship from the outside is often puzzling, not only for nonbelievers, but also for other Christians. A Protestant, like me, cannot help but start to do all kinds of mental translations in a similar way you did by viewing the proceeding through your skeptical lens. For example, Catholics think the Body of Christ refers only to them and not in the more universal way Protestants do (accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior). As someone who really and truly deeply respects the rich history, art, and intellectual depth of Catholicism, my desire to convert is tempered by it still feeling so strangely foreign.

Perhaps because I am an odd-bird always hearing church-speak and trying to tease out the underlying theology. That partly explains my former atheism because I kept hearing phrases like “Word made Flesh” without anyone bothering to explain them. As such I concluded they were just things people said without bothering to know what they actually entailed, philosophically.
So for better or worse, I can tell you how I, personally interpret those same curious Catholic practices and how I would have to translate them in my mind if I ever did RCIA.

(May 10, 2018 at 1:21 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Furthermore, he's a sharp kid. And when he's old enough to start asking questions, his uncle will be there to let him in on the other side of the story.

That’s what uncles are for…teaching our nephews all the dirty words.

(May 10, 2018 at 1:21 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: First observation: holy water. About a third of the way into the proceedings, a deacon strolled up and down the aisle using a pestle-like object to sprinkle holy water on the crowd. A droplet hit my forehead. The burning was mild,…

IT BURNS! IT BURNS!

(May 10, 2018 at 1:21 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: …isn't it odd that, this day and age, masses of people attribute special holy powers to ordinary water? Seriously, its just water. And it takes a bit of imagination to consider it otherwise… The only thing that differentiates it from "normal" water as that it has been blessed by a priest. So what?

So as a non-Catholic, I’ll use my imagination. In Hebrew the word for holy means, apart. So I would consider holy water, to be water ritualistically “set aside” for sacred use or purpose. And like a good Aristotelian, I can imagine that in some mystical way the blessing of the priest endows the water with final cause that it would not otherwise have, it has become a means for the transfer of purpose.

(May 10, 2018 at 1:21 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: That brings up my next issue: blessing. What good does it do to "bless" something? … I'm sure that "blessing" holds a real meaning for many that were in the church that day. If you pressed a believer to give an explanation for what a blessing practically does, I'm guessing you'd either get a shrug or a convoluted explanation that resembles the saving throws concept.

Again putting Catholic practices through my imaginary Protestant translation engine, a blessing seems to be a lot like provenance. Think about the difference between an ordinary American flag and one that once draped over the coffin of a fallen soldier. How would the family feel if they found out that someone had snuck into their house and replaced the framed and folded flag on their mantle with one directly from Walgreens? Both are just pieces of cloth and yet somehow we feel very different about one than the other even if there is no objective difference between them. Like sentimental value, knowledge of a blessing seemingly makes an object capable of magically transferring something that is more than just a feeling – almost tangible.

(May 10, 2018 at 1:21 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Is gathering together with other people to intentionally cultivate love within oneself a beneficial spiritual exercise? Or is it just wishful/imaginative thinking that serves no real purpose whatsoever?

Communal worship, more than any other cultural practice, seems as if it has proven to serve as an unparalleled way to build community among people with diverse backgrounds and personal circumstances. I cannot think of any other type of institution that cultivates unconditional positive regard for one’s fellow human being more than churches. Not that they are perfect. Not that there are not denominational rivalries and sometimes bad blood between them. Just that overall, Jewish and Christian communal worship moves people to consider each other brothers and sisters united by a common humanity.

(May 10, 2018 at 1:21 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: … just to hear about Sky Fairy.

Really? You just had to go there?
<insert profound quote here>
Reply



Messages In This Thread
First Holy Communion (reflections) - by vulcanlogician - May 10, 2018 at 1:21 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Foxaèr - May 10, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Minimalist - May 10, 2018 at 1:36 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Neo-Scholastic - May 10, 2018 at 4:42 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Succubus - May 11, 2018 at 5:41 am
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Succubus - May 11, 2018 at 10:48 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by brewer - May 11, 2018 at 4:01 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by brewer - May 10, 2018 at 10:13 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Minimalist - May 10, 2018 at 10:17 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by ignoramus - May 11, 2018 at 2:51 am
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Minimalist - May 11, 2018 at 3:38 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Minimalist - May 11, 2018 at 5:20 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Sal - May 11, 2018 at 5:51 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by chimp3 - May 11, 2018 at 6:26 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Seraphina - May 11, 2018 at 10:55 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Minimalist - May 11, 2018 at 8:20 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by ignoramus - May 11, 2018 at 10:46 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Minimalist - May 11, 2018 at 11:11 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by vorlon13 - May 11, 2018 at 10:30 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by Quick - May 11, 2018 at 10:38 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by vorlon13 - May 11, 2018 at 10:56 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by ignoramus - May 11, 2018 at 11:13 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by vorlon13 - May 11, 2018 at 11:22 pm
RE: First Holy Communion (reflections) - by chimp3 - May 13, 2018 at 5:22 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  The problem with "Holy Places". onlinebiker 28 2533 March 8, 2020 at 3:16 pm
Last Post: EgoDeath
  Gender of Holy Spirit TwoKnives99 31 4938 November 17, 2018 at 2:10 pm
Last Post: The Valkyrie
  Why We don't take your Holy Scriptures Seriously vulcanlogician 75 8189 October 25, 2018 at 5:15 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Petition to rename "communion wafers" to Jeez-its! Foxaèr 26 3385 October 9, 2018 at 9:48 pm
Last Post: Dr H
  Finding the holy grail ignoramus 3 1064 May 4, 2018 at 8:25 am
Last Post: Foxaèr
  How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire? Thracian 42 11204 April 23, 2018 at 1:18 pm
Last Post: Astreja
Music Are the holy angels like the time-cops? theBorg 150 19854 October 11, 2016 at 3:54 pm
Last Post: Ravenshire
  Reflections on Mother Teresa TrueChristian 27 4745 February 25, 2016 at 2:23 pm
Last Post: GUBU
  The Holy Horseshit...No Matter Who Wrote It...Is The Problem Minimalist 7 4076 December 12, 2015 at 1:14 am
Last Post: Wyrd of Gawd
  The Holy Trinity Does Make Sense. paulpablo 0 1320 November 20, 2014 at 7:10 am
Last Post: paulpablo



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)