Morality

[TeslaTrooper]

On wouldnt neccessarily suggest that those acts are immoral in themselves, I myself drink and have sex out of marriage with my girlfriend. I would not like to see a ban on "society" or freedom of choice. Its something I believe very strongly in. Even if we are to make the wrong choices, it is our right to do so. With regards to those so called friends, the point I was getting at is they would not regard what they are doing as immoral. They regard it as fun. Infact most people that hit the town centers every weekend would feel the same way. Even when they are face down in the gutter vomiting and pissing in their pants.

I feel you are being overly critical of me without truly knowing were Iam coming from, and infact misinterpreting what Iam saying. Perhaps Iam not getting my words out properly or not explaining properly.

Maybe you aren't. Not my problem. You've said some really, REALLY baseless things in this thread, and I am responding to them. Example: YOU said you regard most of your friends' behaviour as immoral, citing examples of drug use and pre-marital sex. That is a ridiculous and borderline offensive thing to say, so I've challenged it. Now you say they aren't immoral acts? And then two sentences later, say 'they would not regard what they are doing as immoral'. So my question again is: Why should they? What is immoral about what they are doing (being violent is obviously not the same thing)?

If I'm being critical it's because you are doing stuff like the above. With regards your point to Rwandrall, I have already explained this. No, there is no basis for saying things were 'better' or 'more moral'. If you had been alive in that time, you would have found people from the 1890s saying how much worse things were. And the same in the 1890s from people who lived in the 1830s. Do you really think that things have been getting continuously worse for hundreds of years, or do you think that it's just people's tendencies to cling to things they know and like? To use a more contemporary example of this, ever notice how people always think music is getting worse than when they were a kid? Same thing.

Perhaps it is the way in which these things, such as pre marital sex, drug use, alcohol use etc are being used. The acts in themselves are not neccessarily immoral its but the misuse can be. I take for example alcohol. Someone sat round a bbq having a drink with friends and family I would not consider immoral. Someone getting absaloutely off there face, peeing in their pants and then throwing up all over someones car, perhaps then waking everbody up on the street, or even destroying some property would be immoral. But again those people engaging in those acts would not consider what they are doing immoral, but merely part and parcel of a "saturday night".

Same with the whole premarital sex thing. I do it and most of the u.k population of my generation has done it I imagine. Again the act it iself I would not class as immoral, but when you start banging everyone in sight, I personally would class it as immoral. Again another person would regard it as personal choice, and someone more extreme than myself would class premarital sex as immoral. Again one of the problems with the lack of moral boundaries, and structure.

I can see the truth in what you are saying regarding perception of things getting worse. However I still feel there must be a reason for this perception. A comprimising idea could be its the type of immoral acts that are changing or perhaps a change in society itself.

For example someone cited open racism or open homophobia as acceptable in the 50s or 60s. That would obviously be regarded as immoral by todays standards. Whereas something such as say, getting drunk and sitting in a bin, which by the standards of the 50s and 60s would be considered highly immoral, would in todays standards be perhaps seen as a bit of foolishness. This would suggest some immoral acts have become more prevalent whilst others have got better. This could be why there is disagreement on whether things are better or worse.