(May 31, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: To all you theists who aren't in it for the swag . . .
I have two possible scenarios.
Scenario 1: Suppose God contacted earth and made the following announcement "I know the future and I have decided it is time to inform you all that absolutely no one will get to Heaven because absolutely no one will meet the high standards that I set. You are all going to go to Hell after you die on this earth and you will all be tortured for all eternity. There is no way you can possibly redeem yourself because I've already seen the future and I already know you will all fail. It's eternal hellfire for everyone. You may as well all give up trying."
He has done exactly that, and all who reject the atonement will go to an eternal hell of your making.
EP Wrote:Scenario 2: Suppose God contacted earth and made the following announcement instead: "I have decided to let you all know that I wrote both the Bible and the Koran. I am indeed the God that created this world but those books were trickery and I'm actually evil. And there's no use thinking I'm Satan because there is no Satan. It was all a ruse. I don't care about petty humans, you are all my playthings. I'm going to torture you all for fun in hell for all eternity after you die and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Until then I'll enjoy watching you all waste your lives while prolonging your life as much as possible out of fear of how I very much will enjoy torturing you forever after you finally kick the bucket."
That is the ruse Satan has used with you and all other nonbelievers, you've taken it hook line and sinker, you swallowed the bait, so now what will you do that you have been told the truth.
EP Wrote:How would you react to the two scenarios if the truth is all that matters and not the swag? Would you still believe in both those scenarios after finding the truth about God? Would you still believe in one scenario but not the other? Would you stop believing in both cases?
For me they are both nonsense and show your fear of not being able to control what happens to you after death, hell is a frightful place and if you do not change the one that awaits you is of your own making, just imagine you are now determining your own punishment.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
