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The argument from power.
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RE: The argument from power.
(June 3, 2018 at 12:10 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Nonsense.  Love is defined with reference to what I am as a biological being, not as an arbitrary construct, so your analogy actual underscores the problem instead of dissolves it.

I don't think you appreciate the problem here.  A lack of foundations means that God's values are no more privileged than mine are.  If that's the case, ultimately you're undermining your argument that God's perceptions are somehow accurate, more accurate than mine, because you've eliminated any possible means of deriving that result.

Ask yourself this, why is love the foundation?

I never said it was arbitrary.

I think I explained it as well as I could. I believe if I get into too much mysticism Ibn Arabi or Rumi style, it will confuse people.

God by definition is to be valued above all else, if he exists. If morality was more important then him, it would be god with him, but morality is important because God is the light of all light.

God through his name created everything through his blessed name and image and light, such that everything got it's name with respect to his name.

To put it simple "God is the light of that which guides all creation and illuminates their very form and nature and gives everything it's creation by his truth".
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The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:07 am
RE: The argument from power. - by brewer - June 3, 2018 at 11:21 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:23 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Brian37 - June 3, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 11:33 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:48 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 11:50 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:51 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 4:54 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by chimp3 - June 3, 2018 at 11:52 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 11:53 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:57 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Minimalist - June 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:04 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:21 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:22 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:30 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:33 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:42 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:51 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2018 at 12:54 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by LadyForCamus - June 3, 2018 at 12:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2018 at 1:25 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 4:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by chimp3 - June 3, 2018 at 6:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Astreja - June 4, 2018 at 12:02 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:06 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:37 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - June 5, 2018 at 1:15 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:39 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:43 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:44 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mister Agenda - June 5, 2018 at 5:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 11, 2018 at 2:47 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mister Agenda - June 11, 2018 at 4:35 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 11, 2018 at 2:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 11, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:11 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 30, 2018 at 11:18 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:22 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 30, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: The argument from power. - by CapnAwesome - September 30, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - September 30, 2018 at 3:17 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2018 at 1:02 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mr.Obvious - October 6, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2018 at 1:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - October 6, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mr.Obvious - October 6, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Astreja - October 6, 2018 at 5:02 pm

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