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The argument from power.
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RE: The argument from power.
(June 5, 2018 at 1:26 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(June 5, 2018 at 1:09 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: The one I've been patiently explaining to you throughout the entire course of this thread.  What, did you just wake up?

There is no problem as I've shown in reply and as for:

"Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer

That is akin to saying you can't love what you love which is meaningless. You definitely will what you will, and impact future will by what you willed in the past, and will grows depending on us.

The fact that it is analogous and you still don't see the problem is astounding. And no, I don't will what I will. That's absurd. If God's will has no foundation other than that will, then he is no different from any other rationally self-interested being in that he wants what he wants because he wants it. In that, he is no different from any other rationally self-interested being which also wants what it wants because they want it. If you have eliminated the privilege in God's personal self-interest you have eliminated the entire foundation of your argument. It's a shame that Islam doesn't embrace the trinity, because at least that would arm you with a delaying tactic in the form of the Godhead's relationship to itself, no matter how futile that ultimately would turn out to be. Arguing that will and love are magic doesn't by itself make this objection go away. Ultimately, magic or not, God's desires are simply a reflection of his own self-interest and of no import to anyone else if that is the case.
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The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:07 am
RE: The argument from power. - by brewer - June 3, 2018 at 11:21 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:23 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Brian37 - June 3, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 11:33 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:48 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 11:50 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:51 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 4:54 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by chimp3 - June 3, 2018 at 11:52 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 11:53 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:57 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Minimalist - June 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:04 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:21 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:22 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:30 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:33 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:42 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:51 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2018 at 12:54 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by LadyForCamus - June 3, 2018 at 12:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2018 at 1:25 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 4:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by chimp3 - June 3, 2018 at 6:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Astreja - June 4, 2018 at 12:02 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:06 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:37 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - June 5, 2018 at 1:15 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:39 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:43 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:44 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mister Agenda - June 5, 2018 at 5:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 11, 2018 at 2:47 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mister Agenda - June 11, 2018 at 4:35 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 11, 2018 at 2:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 11, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:11 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 30, 2018 at 11:18 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:22 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 30, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: The argument from power. - by CapnAwesome - September 30, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - September 30, 2018 at 3:17 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2018 at 1:02 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mr.Obvious - October 6, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2018 at 1:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - October 6, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mr.Obvious - October 6, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Astreja - October 6, 2018 at 5:02 pm

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