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The argument from power.
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RE: The argument from power.
(June 5, 2018 at 5:14 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(June 3, 2018 at 11:07 am)MysticKnight Wrote: As will power is essential to goodness, it must have a reliable source for goodness to have proper accurate meaning.
Without God giving power it does not have a reliable source.
Goodness has a proper accurate meaning.
Therefore God exists.


The three premises need elaboration, I will post one post per premise elaborating on them.


I will ask people to check validity of argument before the premises are debated or elaborated.

The argument can rephrased:

Praise to have accurate meaning, will power part of it must have a reliable source.
Without God giving power it does not have a reliable source.
Praise has a proper accurate meaning.
Therefore God exists.

Will elaborate on each premise once we get past the over all structure validity.

Hmm. The conclusion does not follow from the premises, and the premises are all baseless assertions.

I revised a few times, and to me it seems the conclusion does follow from the premises.

I haven't elaborated on the premises, because I want agreement whether the argument is valid or not.

Let us look at:

Praise to have accurate meaning (a), will power part of it must have a reliable source (b).
Without God giving power (not c) it does not have a reliable source (not b).
Praise has a proper accurate meaning (a).
Therefore God exists ©.

a -> b.
not c -> not b
a
Therefore b from a->b and a
c from b -> c (contra positive) and b.

C is God giving power, which given it is God existing....

Therefore it seems valid.

Tell me where you disagree!
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Messages In This Thread
The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:07 am
RE: The argument from power. - by brewer - June 3, 2018 at 11:21 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:23 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Brian37 - June 3, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 11:33 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:48 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 11:50 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:51 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 4:54 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by chimp3 - June 3, 2018 at 11:52 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 11:53 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:57 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Minimalist - June 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:04 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:21 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:22 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:30 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:33 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:42 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:51 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2018 at 12:54 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by LadyForCamus - June 3, 2018 at 12:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2018 at 1:25 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 4:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by chimp3 - June 3, 2018 at 6:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Astreja - June 4, 2018 at 12:02 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:06 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:37 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - June 5, 2018 at 1:15 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:39 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:43 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:44 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mister Agenda - June 5, 2018 at 5:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 11, 2018 at 2:47 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mister Agenda - June 11, 2018 at 4:35 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 11, 2018 at 2:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 11, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:11 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 30, 2018 at 11:18 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:22 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 30, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: The argument from power. - by CapnAwesome - September 30, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - September 30, 2018 at 3:17 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2018 at 1:02 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mr.Obvious - October 6, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2018 at 1:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - October 6, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mr.Obvious - October 6, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Astreja - October 6, 2018 at 5:02 pm

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