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Me, cyborg...
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RE: Me, cyborg...
(June 15, 2018 at 12:20 pm)pocaracas Wrote:
(June 15, 2018 at 9:06 am)KittyAnn Wrote: He could, but our decision, as I said, depends on our upbringing, environment, surroundings ... so sometimes instead of doing what we want, what we think ... we make a decision that will refer to the surroundings, so we do something against ourselves, against our free will .. Of course, the algorithm of our brain isn't even predictable for us ...and good somehow Wink But we still have a free will ... this is a assumption as in physics ... If we lived in a vacuum, our free will ... it would be really free ... Big Grin

I'm starting to think we are referring to different things when we say "free". Free should mean independent of any constraints Our will, our decision making algorithm, like you called it, does seem to have a strong dependence upon those things you mentioned. It also works within our brains that should adhere to standard describable and predictable biophysics, even if our human brains are way too complex for us to monitor one in full to accurately claim that some thought occurred in such and such way.

(June 15, 2018 at 9:06 am)KittyAnn Wrote: And I can't imagine that they put a chip into my brain and now the computer tells me what to do, what to think, what to dream (i prefer mine unpredictable brain) or not to mention the fact that the hacker can put a virus into my brain and suddenly i would like to strangle the neighbor... so no thank you.... it is enough that the environment, education and law directs my choices..

There you go again... your choices are not truly free, are they?
And I think that, before anyone can make such a chip, we'll have to understand how the brain actually works.
On the other hand, it is remarkably easy to induce certain sensations that then induce certain behaviors...


(June 15, 2018 at 9:06 am)KittyAnn Wrote: But of course, I don't mind if technology can help us in our daily lives, when it can help us make our life easier ... eg when losing a hand or leg it can replace it .. and of course I don't mind if the technology contributes to improving the health of people with Parkinson's, Alzchaimer's or other brain diseases ... I know that implanting certain chips into the brain can stimulate it properly, which makes life easier for such people and sometimes even it can brings them back to live.
So, technology -YES, so long as it doesn't take away our humanity! Smile

Totally agree.

(June 15, 2018 at 9:06 am)KittyAnn Wrote: Would I make a different decision? ... I think that if the conditions were different, other people, different environment, other upbringing, other circumstances ... certainly yes! Btw.. i was close to made a different decision... Tongue

Of course, if the conditions were different, the decision becomes unknown and possibly different...
But the question claims that everything is the same, your lifetime is the same, everything around you is the same, you are the same. Would your decision be any different?

I guess what I'm saying is that, while we think we make choices, from the pool of available behaviors at any given moment, all our background, mental, memorial, physical, genetic, etc will be what actually drives our decision making process and there is nothing, no mechanism by which can come to a decision that defies that.

Poca,maybe we could explore this in more detail over the ice-cream(because you don't drink coffee), huh?  Tongue
That's why I'm talking about the assumption ... we assume that it's free, because of course we know that there are certain limitations, as in the world of physics and life there is ... friction, rubbing and once more rubbing ....So in a sense, we have free will by rejecting these restrictions because we can decide for ourselves. It's known that if we focus on every living cell, we can immediately say that we're enslaved and we have nothing to talk about. A free man doesn't exist ...But on the level of human nature, our primitive thinking and our daily choices, we can assume peacefully that we have free will ...And I do not know why everyone assumes that free will is closely related to faith ... Anyway, each of us has a free will at the level of everyday choices, because we can decide for ourselves, we can even act against the law, against the family, against the whole world ... can we? We can! ...and this is the assumption that we have free will., but at the cellular level, of course, there is no such thing as free will, no will at all ...
So if everything is the same, my lifetime is the same, everything around me is the same, i'm the same....Would my decision be any different? Could be... I was thinking about a different solution ... But it's more likely that my choice would be the same, because the influence on me then had the family it means external factors and deprived me of my free choices.  Sad

(June 15, 2018 at 10:21 am)Khemikal Wrote: No one needs to put a chip in your brain to accomplish any of that.  Human beings are wildly susceptible to conditioning.  Come to think of it, that might be a good use for such a chip, subverting the pathways of conditioned response.

On another note...do you find that technology and humanity are at odds..such that an increase in one is necessarily a decrease in the other?  I find myself thinking precisely the opposite..that our humanity is pretty much defined by our technology.  Thats our thing, our niche.  We;ve been looking for (and finding) ways to overcome our common mammalian biology since day one...the ultimate expression of what it means to be human may, in the end, be complete transcendence of that frame.  We;ve been dreaming about that for at least 50k years..all of our spiritual traditions are based upon that hope..after all.

I never said that technique, technology is in contradiction with humanity, it is actually on the contrary, that is what drives our lives, allowing us to develop... I just underline that technology can't replace humanity ... we are the overriding form ... technology is only a tool, a very important tool without which life would be very difficult right now ... though still possible ...
btw..i love new technology Tongue
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Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 28, 2018 at 5:16 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by vorlon13 - May 28, 2018 at 5:24 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 28, 2018 at 5:37 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by Edwardo Piet - May 28, 2018 at 5:25 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by zebo-the-fat - May 28, 2018 at 5:25 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2018 at 6:20 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 28, 2018 at 6:33 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2018 at 6:36 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 28, 2018 at 6:46 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Valkyrie - May 28, 2018 at 6:50 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 28, 2018 at 6:56 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by Silver - May 28, 2018 at 6:21 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KevinM1 - May 28, 2018 at 9:45 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 29, 2018 at 3:02 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by pocaracas - May 29, 2018 at 3:45 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KevinM1 - May 29, 2018 at 1:27 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 29, 2018 at 1:54 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Valkyrie - May 29, 2018 at 2:14 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 29, 2018 at 3:16 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KevinM1 - May 29, 2018 at 2:28 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by I_am_not_mafia - May 29, 2018 at 3:32 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 29, 2018 at 5:36 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by ignoramus - May 29, 2018 at 4:35 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by Angrboda - May 29, 2018 at 5:02 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by Angrboda - May 29, 2018 at 5:46 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Industrial Atheist - May 29, 2018 at 7:43 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by Angrboda - May 29, 2018 at 8:14 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 29, 2018 at 8:36 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by pocaracas - May 29, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 29, 2018 at 10:58 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by Angrboda - May 29, 2018 at 6:34 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - May 30, 2018 at 7:09 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by WinterHold - June 6, 2018 at 11:32 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - June 13, 2018 at 4:45 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by rado84 - June 12, 2018 at 7:38 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by bennyboy - June 12, 2018 at 9:27 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by paulpablo - June 12, 2018 at 10:32 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2018 at 10:34 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KevinM1 - June 13, 2018 at 9:31 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by pocaracas - June 13, 2018 at 5:02 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - June 13, 2018 at 5:50 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by pocaracas - June 14, 2018 at 3:39 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - June 14, 2018 at 5:03 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by pocaracas - June 14, 2018 at 5:25 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - June 15, 2018 at 9:06 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by pocaracas - June 15, 2018 at 12:20 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - June 15, 2018 at 3:05 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by pocaracas - June 15, 2018 at 4:03 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Grand Nudger - June 14, 2018 at 12:04 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by I_am_not_mafia - June 14, 2018 at 5:04 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by ignoramus - June 14, 2018 at 6:20 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - June 14, 2018 at 7:17 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by Angrboda - June 14, 2018 at 6:23 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by ignoramus - June 14, 2018 at 6:27 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by ignoramus - June 14, 2018 at 7:36 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by KittyAnn - June 14, 2018 at 6:05 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Grand Nudger - June 14, 2018 at 6:08 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by bennyboy - June 14, 2018 at 6:22 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Grand Nudger - June 14, 2018 at 6:39 pm
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2018 at 10:21 am
RE: Me, cyborg... - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2018 at 4:22 pm

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