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The argument from power.
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RE: The argument from power.
To prove the first premise. I say if it's reliable, there is an ordered way, that when do praiseworthy actions, the will power to do them we have access to. Yet if we access it in unlimited way where we at sheer whim can summon as much power as we want and it would be easy,  then why don't we all do it.

And in this regard the topic of Jacob and his title Israel is important.  But we won't get into that.

We build up on love and love is not just generate at whatever level, like we just turn it up to whatever setting we want. The type and amount and hue of love it has a reality that is justified.

The negation would be if we don't have reliable power, than our actions would still be praiseworthy as they are. But is this true?  If we have no control on the amount of power we emit love wise and bring to action, how can we be praised.

The other thing is the source.  Whether us or God it must be reliable has been proven. If there is no reliability, our actions would be subject to chaos.


Now let us look at why the source must be God. When we do good actions or bad actions, it must have some influence on future actions. Without this, there is no growth or negative falling.

Without that, our enticement to good or evil, would be without any meaning or order, we cannot make ourselves more virtuous over time nor more evil, it would just be actions and we remain the same value wise.

And if that is true, the reliability to improve in will for good or will to avoid evil is not reliable and hence chaotic, and that would not be accountable.

But if we decide the measurement of our actions, we can over estimate our good and underestimate our evil or vice versa, and one property of praise/goodness is that it's will power of love but also a judgement call, and we increase in time with more goodness in vision of judgment.

That is we assess good actions with more meaning the more we grow in love and wisdom.

But our judgement to how much will power we should get if not reliable, then summoning will power is not reliable.  We already showed that chaotic summoning of power makes good and evil meaningless or almost meaningless and takes the value out of praiseworthy states and actions and goals.

Therefore we need something that decides with perfect judgment how much will power we get and to what degree, and generates it, as anything less then absolute vision and perfect judge would to a degree neglect the reality and not account properly with due measure of the exact will power we need.

I will elaborate third premise later.
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The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:07 am
RE: The argument from power. - by brewer - June 3, 2018 at 11:21 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:23 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Brian37 - June 3, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 11:33 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:48 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 11:50 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:51 am
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 3, 2018 at 4:54 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by chimp3 - June 3, 2018 at 11:52 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 11:53 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 11:57 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Minimalist - June 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:04 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:21 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:22 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:30 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:33 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:42 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 12:51 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2018 at 12:54 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by LadyForCamus - June 3, 2018 at 12:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2018 at 1:25 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 3, 2018 at 4:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by chimp3 - June 3, 2018 at 6:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Astreja - June 4, 2018 at 12:02 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:06 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:37 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - June 5, 2018 at 1:15 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:39 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:43 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:44 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 5, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mister Agenda - June 5, 2018 at 5:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 11, 2018 at 2:47 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mister Agenda - June 11, 2018 at 4:35 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 11, 2018 at 2:59 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 11, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:11 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 30, 2018 at 11:18 am
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:22 am
RE: The argument from power. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 30, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: The argument from power. - by CapnAwesome - September 30, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - September 30, 2018 at 3:17 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2018 at 1:02 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mr.Obvious - October 6, 2018 at 1:09 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2018 at 1:10 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by downbeatplumb - October 6, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Mr.Obvious - October 6, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: The argument from power. - by Astreja - October 6, 2018 at 5:02 pm

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