Massacre of the Innocents

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You and all who kudos you haven't seen it and do not know what it's about, so bug off little minded one.
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This one is angry, afraid and willfully ignorant.  That's a bad recipe.  Although I haven't dealt poster Godscreated much, if at all, since I joined this forum, I am beginning to understand the disdain and impatience that long time members show towards poster Godscreated.

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You have even contradicted yourself in the last two posts to me. You said the Magi would have known that the star would have stopped over the city in your last post and the one before you said it stopping point would be from a certain perspective, it would be according to where one was as to where the star would appear to have stopped. Spacial concept I believe you were spouting.
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I spent time trying to provide useful astronomical and geographical information to poster Godscreated.  Perhaps I did not explain things well, but it appears much more likely that he has poor reading comprehension or is flat-out lying.

Here is everything I wrote in this thread about the Star of Bethlehem topic:

"Due to the Earth's rotation relative to the solar system's and galaxy's ecliptic planes, following a star (as in walking exactly in the direction of the star) does not work very well.  Over a night, you will end up walking in a semi-circle, not in a straight line.  There are two reasons for this:

1)  The star appears to move during the night because of the Earth's rotation; and

2)  The tilt of the Earth's axis (again, relative to the plane of the solar system's and the Milky Way's ecliptics) makes the star appear to change orientation when compared to any terrestrial direction.  For example, the star Sirius (often considered the Star of the Magi in the Biblical literature) will point due East but only on certain days and at certain times.  On other days and at different times it will not point due East.  And, of course, as night passes that star faces South then West.

One other point.  At no time during the year does Sirius appear directly overhead when the observer is in the Middle East (or anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere).  That only occurs at about 17º S latitude (e.g., Fiji Islands)."

"You not only need an education in astronomy but you also need one in geography.

The Magi first travelled "from the East" to Jerusalem.  Any star or the planets Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (including these planets in apparent retrograde motion) would rise in the East and appear to travel across the sky during the night and set in the West.  Thus, the "star" would not set "past the horizon where the town was" (your words).  It would set behind the Magi as they travelled East towards Jerusalem.

After arriving in Jerusalem they continued to follow the same star which (according to the story) led them to Bethlehem.  However, Bethlehem is basically about 10 miles due South of Jerusalem.  Again, that star would set in the West, not the South.

As to the two inferior plants relative to the Earth, Mercury and Venus, they will either appear in the West at sundown and set shortly after that, or appear in the East shortly before sunrise and disappear from view when the sun rises.  So, it is possible that either Mercury or Venus could have acted as a guide for the Magi on their journey East to Jerusalem, but only in the early morning before dawn.  Neither planet would guide anyone traveling South.

But don't be sad.  Fictional stories often do not follow reality."

"A planet demonstrating apparent retrograde motion will not stop in the sky.  It will appear to move across the sky from East to West due to the Earth's rotation, just like any star does.

Planets appear to change there location in the night sky relative to stars (i) because of their own orbits around the sun and (ii) (in the case of apparent retrograde motion) because of the parallax effect of the Earth's orbit around the sun relative to the particular plant's orbit around the sun.  Such apparent retrograde motion takes weeks to months to cycle.

How long did it take the Magi to walk 10 miles from Jerusalem to Bethlehem?  Why did they travel at night and not during the day?"

"The planet did not stop.  Yes, many folks back then certainly knew more about stellar and planetary apparent motions than you do.  Of course, writers of fiction do not necessarily have to comport with reality."

"I provided basic astronomical and geographical facts.  Your video ignores them, as do you.  In addition, your video is full of speculation and nonsense, all acting as infantile apologetics for certain religious wishful thinking.

You choose to rely on nonsense instead of reality."

I simply cannot understand how someone can read these statements and conclude that either (1) "You said the Magi would have known that the star would have stopped over the city" (Godscreated's claim #1) or (2) "you said it stopping point would be from a certain perspective, it would be according to where one was as to where the star would appear to have stopped" (Godscreated's claim #2).  

Godscreated's near total ignorance of basic astronomy is pathetic and sad.

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Well you see God knew when He created the universe were those magi would be when the star stopped and from there spacial vantage point it was over the city just as God had plan thousands of years prior to the event.
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Ah yes, poster Godscreated attempted to be all sciency to support his Star of Bethlehem myth by using that apologetic and disingenuous video and when that is refuted with simple and basic astronomy and geography, he pulls out the, 'Well, my sky fairy used magic...so there!'

Poster Godscreated is yet another unfortunate example of a deeply indoctrinated theist who has sacrificed intellectual honesty and curiosity in favor of maintaining some perverted emotional and psychological disorders.

Again, pathetic and sad.

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You have no concept of the knowledge or power of our living God and you just continue to make foolish mistakes at every turn, stop like the star did, reverse your coarse and search for the truth that can save you.

GC

Note the insecurity, hubris and, of course, the subtle threat.

Again, pathetic and sad.

I conclude that poster Godscreated is basically full of himself, willfully ignorant, quite disingenuous, pretends he is special and is deeply infected with a particularly virulent strain of the Christian God Virus.

Do I have that about right?