The light in my room, as I am typing this, did not exist until I turned on the light switch. Did it come from nothing? of course not, but it still did not exist. The light bub itself did not exist until the manufacturer made it from other things, but the light coming from the light cannot exist until I turn it on. What? You think your god is sitting there with a handful of light beams waiting for me to flip the switch and then throws them my way? Does it make light bulbs too?
Our existence is a product of the big-bang and evolution. It did not come from nothing, but it still did not exist until the proper assembly of the chemicals necessary for life were arranged and developed a brain that generates your awareness. when your body dies, you will cease to exist.
None of that address the ultimate cause for lights, and light bulbs and dark rooms and you. The creation of the Universe is the cause for everything you're talking about. However, we know that something doesn't arise from nothing. So, there is something which caused the Universe which pre-existed the Universe. This something has to be eternal. Non existence never was.
Our existence is a product of the big-bang and evolution. It did not come from nothing, but it still did not exist until the proper assembly of the chemicals necessary for life were arranged and developed a brain that generates your awareness. when your body dies, you will cease to exist.
None of that address the ultimate cause for lights, and light bulbs and dark rooms and you. The creation of the Universe is the cause for everything you're talking about. However, we know that something doesn't arise from nothing. So, there is something which caused the Universe which pre-existed the Universe. This something has to be eternal. Non existence never was.
(September 18, 2011 at 10:59 am)IATIA Wrote:(September 18, 2011 at 6:32 am)lucent Wrote: I don't just mean my non-existence, I mean *any* non-existence. There has never been any such thing as nothing. Something can't come from nothing, therefore, if there ever was nothing, there couldn't be something. So existence is eternal.
The light in my room, as I am typing this, did not exist until I turned on the light switch. Did it come from nothing? of course not, but it still did not exist. The light bub itself did not exist until the manufacturer made it from other things, but the light coming from the light cannot exist until I turn it on. What? You think your god is sitting there with a handful of light beams waiting for me to flip the switch and then throws them my way? Does it make light bulbs too?
Our existence is a product of the big-bang and evolution. It did not come from nothing, but it still did not exist until the proper assembly of the chemicals necessary for life were arranged and developed a brain that generates your awareness. when your body dies, you will cease to exist.
(September 18, 2011 at 6:32 am)lucent Wrote: To your probability argument..if you have enough time (billions and billions of years), and enough different Universes in your worldview, you can make life seem normal or even probable. That's just your narrative, though. Life isn't normal. There is nothing normal about anything that is going on..life is exactly the most improbable thing ever conceived..there are no odds to quantify it, because it doesn't just happen. Universes don't form by themselves (come on..this is elementry), and people don't develop out of goo, and glorified random apes is a fairytale that helps sinners go to sleep at night.
It is not a probability issue. We are here. Moot point.
Your sky-daddy is what "helps sinners go to sleep at night" so they do not have to accept the reality that this is all there is to life. A random event in a random world in a random solar system in a random galaxy in a random universe. No plan, no purpose, it just is.
