(September 18, 2011 at 7:20 pm)lucent Wrote: The light in my room, as I am typing this, did not exist until I turned on the light switch. Did it come from nothing? of course not, but it still did not exist. The light bub itself did not exist until the manufacturer made it from other things, but the light coming from the light cannot exist until I turn it on. What? You think your god is sitting there with a handful of light beams waiting for me to flip the switch and then throws them my way? Does it make light bulbs too?
Our existence is a product of the big-bang and evolution. It did not come from nothing, but it still did not exist until the proper assembly of the chemicals necessary for life were arranged and developed a brain that generates your awareness. when your body dies, you will cease to exist.
None of that address the ultimate cause for lights, and light bulbs and dark rooms and you. The creation of the Universe is the cause for everything you're talking about. However, we know that something doesn't arise from nothing. So, there is something which caused the Universe which pre-existed the Universe. This something has to be eternal. Non existence never was.
You said "I mean *any* non-existence.". I gave an example of non-existence. You did not ask for the ultimate cause, but a quick answer is
BANG!
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
