RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
August 30, 2018 at 4:03 pm
(This post was last modified: August 30, 2018 at 4:05 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(August 30, 2018 at 3:50 pm)polymath257 Wrote:(August 30, 2018 at 1:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: In simple terms, it means love only exists because God exists. Being loving is inherent to God's very nature and core. And so the only reason love exists in the first place is because God exists and so it is through Him/because of Him that love exists at all. It also means there is nothing about God that is unloving. He is pure good.
I know you don't believe that, but that is why it is a hypothetical.
It goes much deeper than that. We know love exists because of chemical reactions in the brain. So you are asking that I accept that these chemicals exist only because of some deity. But, more than that, you are asking me to accept that they only continue to exist because of the existence of this deity. And, further, that nothing that is good could possibly exist unless there is an intervention by this entity.
Do you see how this is such a stretch it is hard to imagine even believing this?
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Yes, He is truth.
Well, since truth and love are different things, that would show God is not love. And, this also fails to address how an entity can be the same as an abstract idea. Once again, the whole basis of the question is so far away from anything close to how I see reality that asking what I would do is difficult to answer.
It's like asking whether I would like pineapples if the color red was larger than the number 6. The question itself makes no sense at all.
We believe God is all goodness. That means love and truth. Lies aren't good or loving, afterall.
(August 30, 2018 at 3:53 pm)polymath257 Wrote:(August 30, 2018 at 2:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ok. It's not a trick.
Let's put it this way. Suppose that Satan showed up and convinced you that he was pure goodness and love and that the deity you have believed in is actually evil. Would you then follow Satan?
How about if the color yellow showed up and convinced you that it is pure love and goodness. Would you then follow the color yellow?
First question: Yes. If that happened, it would mean that I was wrong about God and Satan.
Second question: Yes. I desire love and goodness.
....Can you answer mine now please?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
