RE: Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?
September 9, 2018 at 4:21 pm
(This post was last modified: September 9, 2018 at 4:37 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
-aaaand we're back to complaining that a person who doesn't have the answer to the effect of centuries of institutional racism is somehow unqualified to educate you on the subject.
For what it's worth, we did actually have a solution that was working. The noted gap in earlier studies was closing within a single generation (yet another indicator that the cause is not, ultimately, genetic...that level of change doesn't happen within a single generation - particularly if we maintain that the population in question didn't have the smart genes to begin with). This effect plateaued, however, in the 80's as we began to cut those programs back...work that's still ongoing. Care to take a guess what rhetoric was used to justify those cuts? You wouldn't have to guess, mind..had you actually read any of the many links you've been given.
What, for example, do you think Charles Murrays job at AEI is, and why do you think a guy like Paul Ryan lauds him as an important intellectual?
Again, a demonstration that this language and these positions and the people who spread them have real world effects, the programs that worked to eradicate achievement gaps caused by a racist stratification of society were cut, in parts large and small.. on the basis of scientific racism. That's some next level fuckery, eh? Hit poor whites, too..but I guess you gotta break a few eggs.
Reminds me of a line from Revs link, about the first step in any fruitful discussion of why we should take caution not to spread this sort of disinformation is an agreement that we care if people get hurt. Not their feefees, mind. Lives destroyed. Communities in ruin. That sort of thing. I think the two of us can agree to that. We both care. Right? We wouldn't want to find out that the positions we thought we were defending against pc culture where the ammunition in some racist dirtballs gun, and that this gun had been pointed and fired, and hit it's target. Right?
Well.......
As far as contributions, didn't sticking your foot fully in your mouth the last time teach you anything?
You're completely right about precisely one thing up there. It's not something I'll ever back down on. That's how the racists win. All anyone has to do is shut up and let them dominate the narrative. We've been down that road before, it was a national embarrassment.
For what it's worth, we did actually have a solution that was working. The noted gap in earlier studies was closing within a single generation (yet another indicator that the cause is not, ultimately, genetic...that level of change doesn't happen within a single generation - particularly if we maintain that the population in question didn't have the smart genes to begin with). This effect plateaued, however, in the 80's as we began to cut those programs back...work that's still ongoing. Care to take a guess what rhetoric was used to justify those cuts? You wouldn't have to guess, mind..had you actually read any of the many links you've been given.
What, for example, do you think Charles Murrays job at AEI is, and why do you think a guy like Paul Ryan lauds him as an important intellectual?
Again, a demonstration that this language and these positions and the people who spread them have real world effects, the programs that worked to eradicate achievement gaps caused by a racist stratification of society were cut, in parts large and small.. on the basis of scientific racism. That's some next level fuckery, eh? Hit poor whites, too..but I guess you gotta break a few eggs.
Reminds me of a line from Revs link, about the first step in any fruitful discussion of why we should take caution not to spread this sort of disinformation is an agreement that we care if people get hurt. Not their feefees, mind. Lives destroyed. Communities in ruin. That sort of thing. I think the two of us can agree to that. We both care. Right? We wouldn't want to find out that the positions we thought we were defending against pc culture where the ammunition in some racist dirtballs gun, and that this gun had been pointed and fired, and hit it's target. Right?
Well.......
As far as contributions, didn't sticking your foot fully in your mouth the last time teach you anything?
(September 9, 2018 at 12:18 pm)PRJA93 Wrote: This is what you get when two people who are not listening to each other refuse to stop arguing because they don't want to "back down." Seventy-something pages of complete nonsense. Jesus.
You're completely right about precisely one thing up there. It's not something I'll ever back down on. That's how the racists win. All anyone has to do is shut up and let them dominate the narrative. We've been down that road before, it was a national embarrassment.
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