Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?

[The Grand Nudger]

I can't be anymore direct than I already have been.  Scientific racism has been used to destroy childhood investment programs here in the states.  To destroy healthcare here in the states.  To incarcerate people here in the states.

We had programs that were working.  Obviously, those programs didn't actually prevent white supremacy from making a home out of the white house..precisely the opposite.   They became the grist that the normalizing mill used to rationalize and support not only their existing prejudice, but to strengthen it's grip and effect on our institutions.  They did this by rebranding white supremacy as a victimhood movement.

I'd think you'd want to isolate them, instead of throwing more people under their umbrella by force.

Isolating millions of people isn't really an option.  Educating them is...though, as this thread has made perfectly clear....some people are too invested to accept that education. Isolating their narrative and exposing it, however..is doable. If it just so happens to be the case that some of those millions don't realize how effectively they've been conned (and it pretty much has to be..right?) and they really wouldn't wittingly associate themselves with those positions if they understood the factual basis (or lack thereof) for them....then showing people how to recognize white supremacist propaganda and Freeze Peach grift might be useful. You never know, teasing them about the idiocy of it all might even help for those people who don't really respond to being lectured.

But lets parse the hilarity, for a moment, in your suggestion that either pc or sj has made people white supremacists and white supremacist sympathizers. Don't you think that might have more to do with the normalizing propaganda of white supremacy..up to and including their elected reps who both manufactured and maintained their racial anxieties in order to gain control of our institutions, gut social programs, and feed the largess to the donater class - their owners?

Yeah, why risk having racists prevent real change, when you can just guarantee nothing improves by not trying?  Seems legit.

Do you realize how absurd you sound bitching and moaning about this?  For the final time, we had programs that were working.  We will again, hopefully.  People espousing identical positions and rhetoric to your own destroyed them.  I get that you don't identify with those people, and I get that you imagine yourself to be very much opposed to their ideology...but that being the case, you have to wonder how you ended up singing their favorite songs, eh? It would be a rather enormous coincidence....if the two things were wholly unrelated.

I've ever said that environment doesn't matter in children-- in young children, it's the main driving factor.  It's in adulthood that it turns out that heritability is very high: advantages of tests taken in childhood largely fade in adulthood.  But I've already said that doesn't matter-- even 20% is enough variance to make a difference in IQ.  And not every advantage of learning is measured in IQ.  Kids in programs might be learning how to use computers, and so on.  And there's also the fact that being poor sucks, and that citizens should want other citizens' lives not to suck.

Then we should probably take care not to validate the misinformation that helps to keep them poor and make their lives suck..and not let others do so without pushback and consequence....don't you think?  

The thing is that at least in this thread, you've very much treated them (swaying opinion and engaging in policy) as mutually exclusive.  You've also, in my estimation, favored gratification of righteousness over finding common ground.

I'm uninterested in finding a common ground with racists on this issue, and..frankly, I already know that there is none.    Just as I'm uninterested in humoring the idea that scientific racism is a collection of facts that you are defending from pc culture.  Because it isn't..and you aren't.  

I cannot favor any ideological position which uses demonization and division as its modus operandi-- quite simply, I just don't think it will work.  While I don't endorse white supremacy or bigotry, I've found that plenty of gains can be made even with them, if you can speak their language.  Tell them America needs to ramp up production in order to fend off China, that we need all hands on deck to protect America's freedom.  Tell them you're sick of seeing black kids selling drugs on the corner, and you'd rather have them in a school program, where someone can keep an eye on them.  Tell them that putting black men in prison is creating a vacuum, and it's sucking in more immigrants than the border patrol can handle.

Playing up to their bigotry is what lead us here - and that's the traitor caucuses job..not mine.  So..hard pass.  I'm going to keep telling them that they are not only wrong and unamerican...but also horrible dipshits.  Though I do love to borrow their language to watch them cry salty tears. Snowflakes really outta toughen up, bucko.

If you really want to make a point of it, tell them that "I knew a black guy once, and he saved my ass in Korea.  Fucking truer American I never met, and if you say otherwise, we're going to have words, Bubba."

Right, because threatening them with violence is somehow the better option, lol.  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for punching a nazi...but it helps to tell them why they're getting punched.   It's a goldmine for jokes, too, bonus.

. . . and we're back to the yarn.

Have a point.  Use facts.  Develop policies.  Take action.

Like. . . do anything but spend dozens of hours typing to a Canadian in an online forum about how unbearably racist he is, and how insecure in his whiteness.

You'll find all of the relevant facts for the point I'm making....in the links..you've been given.  I'm talking to a person who has absorbed and is repeating the narrative that caused white supremacy to be so normal again.  That shifted the overton window.  That put their POV in the white house. The phenomena isn't actually limited to the US, though the success of this narrative has been instructive for all sorts of nativist and ethnostate movements around the world. If you're one of those people referenced back at the beginning, then it might be useful to you. Then again.....

Think of it like an infectious disease. Just giving you a moments pause in spreading it is, ultimately, useful. I don't expect you to suddenly realize what you've been doing..or concede in this doomed complaint you've been making. I have given you the information you would require to shake it, though.