Peterson's 12 Rules for Life v2.0-- actual book discussion

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Incels can't really make up that big of a percentage of his audience. I'm not super familiar with him really, other than his name seems to be in the zeitgeist, so to speak, but I don't think there are enough if them to make a book a best seller or make someone so popular.

I also don't think there is anything wrong with being anti-PC unless you are also a racist. Political correctness is just another way of trying to censor people.

Perhaps I should have clarified that I don’t think these are his only audiences (one would imagine he would appeal to conservatives as well for instance). I just happen to think they’re a key part given his own views.

No, nothing particularly wrong about being anti-pc to me. Hell I hold my own anti-pc views. Like most things it’s a broad area, and whether they’re a dick or not depends on the person and their reasoning. As I said above I think they’re a key factor in his target audience.

To back up why I think they’re a large part of his audience: *hidden to prevent the Great Wall O’text*

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Look up Jordan Peterson pronoun law, basically he misinterprets an inclusivity bill that includes transgender folk under the umbrella of a protected class thinking it would force him to use alternate pronouns and infringing on his speech. From what I undertand it doesn’t do that at all but I’m willing to bet it garnered him quite the anti-pc following in much the same way Trump did.

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My reaction comes down to taking issue with someone who is classing up his shit values to seem reasonable and reach a larger audience.

Like I said I said, I'm not that familiar with Peterson, but the one interview I listened to, I did get a little bit of the impression of what you are talking about. He mentioned the 'radical left' quite a few times as though they were some major concern. A little bit like marxists are some threat to take over Canada or the US, which is a laughable idea. There are hardly any marxists, and they have no power.

I can see how that idea would be appealing to a paranoid right wing, also can see how the anti-PC argument can be used to broaden the appeal of otherwise unpopular ideas. You are right that is what Trump did. I don't think his ideas on their own are all that popular. I don't think political correctness has ever even been an issue in a campaign before.

I think the European far right wing does a similar hat trick with immigration and anti EU ideas. They aren't popular when they are just the nazi-lite but can get more votes than their (horrible) ideas justify off of people's perhaps legitimate (or illegitimate) concerns over Muslim immigrants.

Personally I think that Peterson yelling about the radical left was off putting enough that I didn't really want to listen to another. I don't need a self help author or care about his politics.

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His key audience is the alt light pipeline, a significant portion of which identify themselves as centrists or libertarians.  That has an idiosyncratic meaning in the us, lol.

That he specifically writes for the incel crowd is obvious..and he's made as much clear in legitimately emotional appeals to their fragile state of mind as he's experienced it in his clinical practice.  Those poor little boys be cryin..all the time...it cuts him to the bone.

I do think that incels need help though. Is his attempt to appeal to them one that tries to help them change or reinforce their views?

I mean a lot of them need a pychologist.