(September 28, 2018 at 11:21 am)Little Rik Wrote:(September 27, 2018 at 10:28 am)unfogged Wrote: That is one of the most ridiculous analogies I've ever heard. Any property that is dependent on functioning hardware is going to cease when the hardware fails. A better analogy would be a program running on a computer. When the computer shuts down the program stops, it doesn't float off to run on some supernatural CPU in the sky.
The computer has been programmed by a mind so obviously it will comply with the information that such a mind put in it therefore has absolutely nothing to do with the point we are talking about.
No, my car dying had nothing to do with the point. As far as we can determine our consciousness "runs" on our physical brains in much the same way that programs run on computer hardware. Shut down the computer and the program is no longer running. Shut down the brain and our consciousness is no longer running. We have zero evidence that the consciousness is preserved in any way so there is no rational reason to believe that it is. All anybody has ever offered is wishful thinking.
Quote:Quote:Evidence come only once you get knowledge.
And knowledge is not something that come easily.
First you got to be interested in something.
After that you got to learn and learn.
Quote:You are saying that to acquire knowledge you must examine the evidence. I agree with that. The evidence must come first.
Not at all unfog.
Spirituality goes outside the physical arena.
The evidence in spirituality is already within but it is like a nugget of gold hidden under ground and we spiritualists call it subconscious mind.
Spirituality is a meaningless term until you can provide a consistent definition for it and show that it exists. Every person seems to define it differently and therefore no useful discussions can be had because there is no common ground. As far as I can tell, nobody who uses the word has any clue what it is they are talking about.
Quote:Knowledge is the work necessary to reach this treasure within.
That makes no sense at all. I have no idea what definition you are using for "knowledge" because none that I know fit in that sentence. Knowledge is the result of learning.
Quote:Quote:Atheism is not the best way to start something as important as the real knowledge.
That kind of knowledge that goes outside the borders of physicality.
Quote:Word salad does not convey anything useful.
The problem with atheists is that they look for solutions outside for something that is inside.
You do not appear to understand your audience at all. Skeptics like myself look for solutions that are testable and demonstrably real. Atheism is the conclusion I have reached based on the investigation of claims for various gods. When you can define whatever it is you are talking about and provide evidence for it then there may be a reason for me to change my mind. Until then your claims are indistinguishable from delusions and I will continue to disregard them as useless.