(September 30, 2018 at 12:31 pm)unfogged Wrote:(September 30, 2018 at 10:54 am)Little Rik Wrote: If you expect evidence from physical science you will wait for ever and ever.
If you can never provide any evidence for something and yet you believe in it anyway you are irrational.
Wrong once again Unfogg.
It is not me that is unable to provide evidence in this case.
It is the physical science that is unable to understand what is not physical such as the consciousness.
Do you get it now?

Quote:Consciousness is an abstract entity which is outside the physical reality therefore impossible to understand in a physical way
Quote:Consciousness is, from all the available evidence, an effect produced by the electrical and chemical interactions in a functioning brain. We have much to learn yet but can detect and measure it and it is very much tied to the physical world. There is not a shred of evidence for any non-physical thing affecting it.
Under physical science ....all available evidence ..........are all hypothesis which of course have zero to do with evidence.

Quote:but if you are an attentive scholar in what make sense so to speak then you will understand that evolution is there for a reason which is to lead life to a goal.
Quote:You are simply wrong. Evolution has no goal. It is simply the process of filtering random changes in species through the sieve of changes in the environment.
That is garbage unfogg.
If you read NDEs experiences you will understand that a clear reason is there for evolution to exist.
Quote:There is problem unfogg.
We are not the one who establish these connections.
Of course we can terminate the connection via a suicide but most people terminate the connection when their body die.
As far as remain intact in a way it does but with a big IF.
If for intact we mean that it never die then yes but if for intact we mean that it was with the previous awareness then no.
Why should it be considering that the awareness can increase or decrease according to our achievement or our bad life?
Quote:Please stop just rambling and provide evidence that the "person" is not their body and that we are something else that is merely interacting with the physical bodies and not an effect of the operation of those bodies. I'll wait.
That is something that will pop up in your mind once you stop being a materialist.
Matter is very very contagious.
It make believe that you are what in reality you are not.
The knowledge come with the desire to get out the physical bondage so first of all you will have to overcome the canary syndrome in which a little bird living in a cage has forgotten what his wings are there for.

Quote:That is a typical atheist dogma that prevent a person to understand how the system works.
Why on earth there is evolution if there is no goal?
WHY?
Quote:You keep asking the wrong questions. "Why" assumes that there is an intentional purpose behind it which brings your conclusion into your premise. Until you can demonstrate that there is a purpose you don't get to just assume it exists.
It is all very very simple or can be very very difficult at the same time.
If you understand that there is a lot to be learn then you may work in that sense and improve yourself.
On the other hand if you think that this is all you got then there will not be any progress.
By thinking that there is no goal in evolution you lose straight away and throw away the opportunity to go ahead.
That is what most atheists do.
Quote:What is the point in having a fortune when you can not use it?
Intelligent people use what is theirs.
Fools on the other hand do not.
Quote:I am using what I have; My subconscious is as much a part of me as my conscious thoughts are. I simply bow to the evidence that they are both a pat of how the brain works.
Obviously you are not using what you got wisely.
If you would you would engage in discovering that science that able you to get all the knowledge within.

Quote:You surely need ........the ability to reason.........but you also need a good teacher.
Evidence will come later.![]()
Quote:It is truly sad to see somebody so bogged down in irrational woo. Reasoning without evidence is worthless.
If you want to get your hands on a nugget of gold that lie underground you obviously must dig and dig.
In the same way if you want evidence of who you really are you got to dig and dig within in your subconscious mind.
That type of science is known in yoga as intuitional science.
Quote:Consciousness is real but we can not see it, touch it smell it, taste it and so on however we can grasp it in a total different way but I suppose it would be too difficult for you to understand.
Quote:You are right, I will never understand why anybody believes stuff they simply make up to make themselves feel better instead of trying to understand what is actually real. I really do pity you.
Is the time real?
If you can understand this question then you would know what is real and what it isn't.
