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Question about permanent death
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RE: Question about permanent death
(October 1, 2018 at 8:38 am)purplepurpose Wrote:
(October 1, 2018 at 8:31 am)Brian37 Wrote: Why? How would life after you die be any different than it was before you were born?

I warn eve atheists not to fall for the si fi version of a fictional "forever".

There are multiple  steps to get from a mere wave function, to a living organism. Saying that we are made up of atoms does not mean a single atom all by itself can act as a fully functioning live in tact brain. Your consciousness is an emergent property, and a finite property, not a starting point, not a forever.

A car tire by itself cannot act as the entire car. Blow up that engine it will not function as the in tact version. You are merely your brain in motion, no motion, no fuel, you die, you no longer exist.

It is ok to have a sense of awe to know that atoms make up everything, and we are made up from the death of a prior star. But our consciousness is not an eternal thing.

It does sounds retarded if you aren't interested in being Holy God's property or living eternally as some kind of God's pet.

I am talking about the literal science behind why there is no afterlife. The morality of antiquity is horrific by itself, but a separate issue.

10,000 years ago when humans first started written language and cities, humans lived under local ruling families. Those rulers mistook their success as coming from a divine place, be it spirit world or a god or deity. Back then the mortality rate was far higher and your survival was far more dependent on towing the social norms and loyalty to that ruler. While it can be argued that some rulers were more tolerant than others it still remains that people lived under a ruling class that they really had no independent check on power outside a revolution. So unless you were part of that ruling class, warrior class, you had little to no say. 

There is a reason you see words like, "lord" and "kingdom" and "servant" and "subject" in the mythologies of antiquity. Because you were the property of that ruling family.

The God/s of the traditions of Abraham are authoritarian dictators and there is no polite way to put it, that is what an unmovable figure is, one with the absolute final say with no check on it's power and no way to remove it from power.

If a leader doesn't want to explain itself to me, if it doesn't need my permission to lead, if I cannot remove it from power, it is not a leader I want to live under. I am nobody's actor, nobody's toy, nobody's lab rat, nobody's property.
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Question about permanent death - by purplepurpose - September 30, 2018 at 2:25 pm
RE: Question about permanent death - by no one - September 30, 2018 at 2:29 pm
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