(October 8, 2018 at 11:12 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:(October 8, 2018 at 12:30 am)haig Wrote: Wiki : "Ignosticism or igtheism is the idea that the question of the existence of God is meaningless because the term god has no coherent and unambiguous definition."
Ignosticism is really a silly concept. It is a philosophical position challenging the definition of god or stretching that definition to some irrelevant philosophical ambiguity. When someone challenges the existence of god, it is in the context of a conversation. The god in question, of that conversation is not unambiguous between the parties involved. We all know who the god is, who's existence is being challenged. To suggest otherwise is philosophical mumbo jumbo.
God by any definition is firstly a supernatural entity, and that is not unambiguous, and supersedes any unambiguous definition whereby the question of existence becomes meaningless.
Nope. You don't get to make up your own personal definition of a god.
There is no definition ("any definition") in which an entity can "exist" (by ANY definition or understanding of "existence") without also invoking the concept of time.
Where did *that* come from ? The reality in which any and all gods "exist" remains unexplained, ... therefore the concept is useless and meaningless, (incoherent).
If their concept is relegated to some sort of "supernatural" but "intermediate" being who did not create Reality ... it is still dismissed.
If it is meaningful, that entity MUST have created Reality ... and there can be no requirement for it to participate in the Reality it created. A god that "exists" *is* required to do so, (as Reality includes non-existence).
The concept/reality of god is far from meaningless or useless.....just ask the billions of religious folk. It may be meaningless to you and that's OK.
Everyone has their own idea what god is or does.....I see from your comments that you have some ideas as well on what god needs to be and do. That is a form of definition by the way.
My point above is that even though folks have a different idea about what god is or means or does, in the views of most folks a common trait would be supernatural. God can be rejected on that simple basis alone.
Dismissing the existence of god because you can't define god is a philosophical concept. To walk around saying your "definition of god is meaningless therefor god does not exist" is not what I would call a convincing argument. People who believe in a god have their own definition of what that means, and will vary from person to person, religion to religion. That is human nature. Even within specific religions, god will mean different things to different people.
Ignosticism is a pompus dismissal of god and religion. It's like saying "I'm not even going to challenge why you believe in god because you can't even define god, so there!"
