RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
October 11, 2018 at 10:59 am
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2018 at 11:04 am by Dmitry1983.)
(October 11, 2018 at 10:35 am)possibletarian Wrote:(October 11, 2018 at 8:53 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: How do you know that? How can you prove it scientifically?
Prove what scientifically ? that a hypothetical being does not exist , you realise what hypothetical means.. right ?
You assume that all human beings are conscious(despite being able to observe only your own consciousness) and then make claim that unconscious p-zombies are impossible. This is illogical
(October 11, 2018 at 10:38 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: thinking it feels pahScience can only observe behavior. By definition behavior of p-zombie is identical to conscious person.
(October 11, 2018 at 6:20 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Consciousness was never observed in scientific experiment
To be pedantic, science has certainly observed the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness.
Quote:The problem with p-zombies is that the idea presumes that consciousness isn't a product of brain activity.And you claim that consciousness is a product of brain activity without any proof.
Quote:given the fact that each of us experiences consciousness directlyProve it scientifically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_other_minds
(October 11, 2018 at 10:38 am)Tizheruk Wrote:Quote:By definition p-zombie's behavior including speech is identical to conscious personNope afraid not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
Quote:For example, if a philosophical zombie was poked with a sharp object it would not feel any pain sensation, yet could behave exactly as if it does feel pain (it may say "ouch", recoil from the stimulus, and say that it is feeling pain).
(October 11, 2018 at 10:56 am)polymath257 Wrote:How can you prove that state is internal?(October 11, 2018 at 10:24 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: You can emulate any architecture on regular supercomputer.theoretically, but in practice not so much. The brain is complex enough that modeling it in sufficient detail can't yet be accomplished.
Quote: If we can correlate brain states to reported conscious states, that is more than sufficient to establish that consciousness derives from brain states.P-zombie would report you same states.
precisely why I don't consider them to be possible. If they report an internal state in a way that is consistent with the physical evidence, then they *are* conscious.