[split] IF you deconverted in midlife, can you help?-NDE Discussion

[Huggy Bear]

There's one Major problem...

Your source is not in the least bit objective, infidels.org? really? If I posted info from a theist site would you'd reject it out of hand so why shoudn't I do the same?

Oh?  Well then perhaps you'd be more impressed with the testimony of renowned parapsychologist Charles Tart, who in an essay critical of Augustine's paper wrote that  Dr. Sabom  had reported  that  the veridical  parts of Reynolds's  NDE  occurred  before  cardiac  "standstill," and that in recounting the timing of Reynolds' NDE that Mr. Augustine had a valid point about said timing (Tart, 2007).  Or perhaps the words of Dr. Sabom himself, who wrote that he had read and agreed with Charles Tart's comments (Sabom, 2007), and that he acknowledged that Reynolds was placed on cardio-pulmonary bypass a full 20 minutes prior to her EEG reading flatlined, an event which could only have occurred following the conversation about the size of her veins (Sabom, 2007).

You were wrong.  Augustine has the facts right according to the very doctor who first reported her case.  She wasn't flatlined when she overheard the conversation about her veins, nor when the doctor cut into her skull with the bone saw.  It doesn't matter what the biases of the publication may be, given that he is right on the pertinent facts of the matter as attested to by both Dr. Sabom and Charles Tart, and, likely the head surgeon's report as well.

(ETA:  And no, if you posted information from a theist site I wouldn't reject it out of hand.  So, on that point you are wrong as well.)

Nowhere in your source does it stat that Pam is experiencing an NDE, they repeatedly state she is having an OBE, the two are similar but different.

Some NDE's do experience having an OBE but you do not have to be near death to have and OBE, anyone is capable of having one.

Now if you bothered to watch that video I posted the surgeon that performed the procedure said in regards to the notion that Pam simply had anesthesia awareness and I quote:

You might be able to make a case for that during the first couple of minutes of induction, but not after that. After that you are in a very deep anesthetic state, and in this particular case you are in the deepest anesthetic case possible.

Not to mention she had earphones in her ears making clicking sounds, so according to him, there is no possibility she heard anything with her ears.

that being said, the original question (before you popped up trying to argue definitions) was; is consciousness a function of the brain?

As for the case Dr. Sabom's book, I don't have access to it, so I cannot corroborate it with the time line that you gave.

Also a quote taken from your site states:


Your source is stating that 'Pam Reynolds' is a fake name, which is demonstrably false
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Reynolds_case


I mean, if they get that piece of basic information wrong, I'm supposed to trust the got everything else right?

Pam Reynolds was a pseudonym for Pamela Reynolds Lowery which was her name at the time of Dr. Sabom's writing about her case, having married Butch Lowery in 1995.  This fact is attested to by multiple authors (Charles Tart, 2012; Michael Schmicker, 2002; Michael C. Gibbs, 2003; Gerald Woerlee, cited 2017; and Michael Sudduth, 2016).  The only person who has any basic facts wrong here is you, Huggy, not Mr. Augustine.

Come on Jor, it seems like you're desperately grasping at straws.

Talk about irony...

Didn't you just accuse me of trying to argue with the dictionary?

You're free to argue with the dictionary all you like.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pseudonym

pseudonym noun
pseu·do·nym | \ˈsü-də-ˌnim
\
Definition of pseudonym

: a fictitious name

As you stated Pam Reynolds married Butch Lowery in 1995. However Pam's surgery was in 1991, Pam Reynolds was her name at that time, and in either case, neither are a fictitious name.