DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Everena]

Everena: Define natural in that context. A clear concise defintion. And intelligence was required for us to have the DNA the communicates in 2 languages and creates eyes that can see, ears that can hear, nose that can smell, arms that can hug, legs that can walk, and yes genitals that can orgasm and reproduce. How can you even pretend to think that all that could come about from nothing with no intelligence? And we have conscious self awareness and intelligence and emotions and no one can effectively explain why or how, unless there is an intelligent agent involved. Face it- God does exist.

Words, how do they work..and what -is- word..anyway? 
Everena: When you are using it as your reason that everything came to be, you should have no trouble defining it.
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For the purposes of our conversation, natural need only refer to what can be and has been accomplished without any need of a meat fairy.  Like the evolution of genitalia or the existence of a sex drive.  I keep telling you that I don't think that any of it came from nothing, so I don't know why you keep asking me...why I believe it all came from nothing?
Everena: Either it came to be from nothing with no intelligence or it came to be from higher intelligence aka God. There are no other options, sorry.

Everena: Yes people died at a younger age, but when you believe in eternal life,  they just crossed over to a better place. Only atheists think death is bad,

I don't care where you think they went, or if you think the place they allegedly go is a better place, and no..people didn't just "die young"..they died of starvation..which is what we have been discussing. 
Everena: And? What does that have to do with anything? People have died more tortuous deaths than just from starvation.
Nor, for that matter, would it matter if they went to a better place.  If I hit you on the head with a brick and then hand you a lollipop, that won't change the fact that I have hit you on the head with a brick.  Similarly, your meat fairy intentionally starved us..allegedly, so that we could get a golden ticket to it's theme park in the sky. 

At least until we figured out how to entirely fuck up it;s divine plan,
Everena: God does not have a divine plan. We are here and this is OUR challenge. When we intentionally hurt others, we will suffer it back until we learn to be better people. And the design is perfect for our needs here. What problems do you have with the design? Are you attracted to humans? Would you want it to be some other way?
that is, lol.  Some design...some designer.

Everena: None of that matters and there is still plenty of wild food all over the world that tastes good. We are intelligent beings and so what if we made stuff taste better? We had to have the brains and the materials to do it with and those things are also provided by our amazing planet.

There is emphatically not plenty of wild food all over the world, let alone a bunch of it that tastes good. 
Everena: Yes there is. There is a ton of wild food that tastes fanastic all over this planet.

I appreciate that you're trying to find a way to agree with me, now..but doing so utterly destroys your own previous arguments.  The fact that we have plenty to eat (when we have it) that tastes good (when it does)..is explained by our own intelligence, not meat fairies.  Do you understand?

Everena: I know what it is. I think a vegetarian diet is much better for you. However, the principles of surviving on naural foods that are less processed is also a positive health decision.

Your dietary opinions are irrelevant to the argument you fielded in support of a meat fairy.  If a vegetarian diet were better for us, one wonders why the meat fairy made us omnivorous,
Everena: We are choosing to be omnivorous. We can live without meat and millions do.

and why the meat fairy failed to provide us with vegetables.  

Everena: And we were able to do so with our planet provides, like I said before.

Insomuch as we've been able to, sure, and we still starve. 
Everena: The Christians have cut the starvation problem in this world down by more than in half. We can always do more. This is our challenge to fix our social problems
All of this, ultimately, due to the meat fairies intentions or oversights.  A cruel and cold intention, or oversight..of the sort you reject.  

Everena: Nope. And stop making up stupid shit.

You'll have to be more specific.
Everena: LOL

Everena: I have deist beliefs . This planet is our responsibilty and our challenge. We have the brains, we have the materials and resources. It is pretty obvious that WE are supposed to be fixing our own problems.

Here, at least, we agree with each other wholeheartedly.  That does not change the fact that you have presented demonstrably false arguments for your meat fairy which are inconsistent with your own beliefs and positions
Everena: No, look up deist. It's what Benjamin Franklin was.
..stated in this thread.

Everena: Everything that is food and everything that we use to make food is natural to our planet. We tamper with food in many ways, and more we tamper with it, the less nutritious it becomes.

Define natural in context.
Everena: Existing on our planet
See how stupid that was.......? NO, and I am not claiming it as a CAUSE for everything that exists, you are and it's vague and means nothing in the context you are using it in.

Unfortunately, you have made another demonstrably false claim.  The items you mentioned earlier, berries nuts rice and taters, we tampered with initially.... just to make them edible.
Everena: Yes, because we also have fire and electricity and salt to purify and a wealth of other materials and resources available on this planet.
  They provided -no- nutritional value to us, as I've already explained to you..much of it was lethal to us before that tampering.  Consider the job of the early potato pioneer.  He or she had to test, by eating the tubers..which ones wouldn't kill them.  You can imagine what happened when they happened upon the wrong tubers as they improved the wild cultivars from something that killed them..to something that only made them sick (but kept them from starving) to something that did not make them sick, to something that was tasty, and then finally to something that was productive.

More recently, we have been tampering with our food to make it even more nutritious than we already have made it.  Golden rice, for example.

Everena: And the point still stands and no one is eating us. Why do these plants and animals provide us with food that not only tastes good, but also provides us with nutrients to stay alive? You cannot just write that off to luck or chance.

This is not only historically untrue, it's untrue in the present.  There are creatures eating you...right now.  Again, these plants and animals that provide us with food and taste good have been specifically bred to do so and be so.......by us. 

I do not write it off to luck or chance, I only point out that your meat fairy does not get to claim credit..
Everena: God gets credit for creating the planet and every useful thing in it.


for example..for the work of those potato pioneers who risked their lives so that one day..you, a monumentally stupid and ungrateful person...could log onto these boards and shitpost about gods for however many pages until you give up or get better.

Everena: What the fuck is natural evil? There is no natural evil. People are evil sometimes and when they are intentionally evil, they suffer that pain back until they learn to be better people.

You should probably learn the terms upon which your own theology depends if you want to discuss it with people who do know those terms, and understand that theology far better than yourself.  People like me.  
Everena: People here commit evil deeds with their own free will. People keep coming back here lifetime after lifetime to suffer all the pain that they have intentionally caused to others (aka karma, and it is in every single religion). They keep going through the cycle until they become better and more godlike and are deserving of an eternity in paradise.

Everena: God only created this flesh. God did not create our souls/true selves. Our true selves always have been and always will be and we are here because we need improvement.

Cool story.  If meat fairy created this flesh, and this world, then meat fairy created natural evil.  
Everena": NO, we have free will and we are choosing whether to be evil  or to be good. 

Everena: The God Delusion is atheist propaganda. A Universe from Nothing is atheist propaganda. You get the idea

Never read it, and I don't believe that the universe came from nothing...so no amount of bitching about either thing, to me, is meaningful.  You need to learn a new routine.