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Am I an Anarchist?
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RE: Am I an Anarchist?
(November 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: We all possess the ability to opt out of the social contract.  It's the legal contract that binds us.

You could haul yourself out into the woods and be a hermit and yell at people all day..just generally be a dick.  That would be opting out of the social contract.  You just can't do it on someone else's land.  As an advocate of personal liberty this much should be clear to you, I imagine.  

It might also be worthwhile to mention that whatever violence may be inherent to the state is still done at the behest of or in the interests of the people of that state..either collectively or invidually.  It's not arbitrary.  

Shit doesn't just happen, in gov, shit takes time and planning and people and money...lots and lots of money!

“Haul yourself out into the woods”
Even this technically cannot be done. There is an illiberal concept of “crown land” whereby the government actually owns all the vacant territory within the borders of the state. There is no more frontier. The state is omnipresent as I said.
Opting out of the social contract shouldn’t mean having to go out into the wilderness either. The solution, as I said, is to drastically decrease the size, scope and power of the state. Non-state actors that wield influence in society because their deep roots in it must be respected more.
The violence of the state is also kinetic. It can become violent potentially to put down any uprising to challenge to its “writ”.

(November 29, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: China is the usual boogeyman, but a closer reading of that situation would give you a better idea of why religious liberty is curtailed, when and how it is.

Perhaps you should bemoan the overt politicization of religion, instead?  There's a reason that christian missionaries are seen as subversive western imperialists, and t. buddhists as separatist rebels.  They are.

Far right populism....for it's part...chock full of religious dolts who seek to fuck with the Other Heathens™.

Christian missionaries did historically act in the service of European colonialism and imperialism. However, presently that is simply not the case. What will you say about the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I am not a JW myself, but I totally respect their refusal to ritually “worship” the state, i.e., in the form of standing for the national anthem, saluting the flag, etc. Because of this they are viciously persecuted in Russia and other authoritarian states. In China, the Christian missionaries operate without any political agenda. China is “Big Brother” a classical Orwellian state only slightly better than North Korea. Don’t forget that is a nation of over a billion people.
India, the next largest country, also with a population of over a billion, though much better than China, likewise has issues with religious liberty and the poison of ultra-nationalism.
I should also add here that there is a strong current of anti-nationalism and contempt for patriotism in my political philosophy. That is why I respect the JWs in particular despite disagreeing with their theology and metaphysics.
Too often do the autocratic states of the non-Western world invoke the imagined threat of Western imperialism as an excuse to curtail religious freedom.
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Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by no one - November 29, 2018 at 1:17 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:18 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:23 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Amarok - November 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Angrboda - November 30, 2018 at 10:08 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by no one - November 29, 2018 at 1:24 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 2:01 pm
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