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Am I an Anarchist?
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RE: Am I an Anarchist?
Now look, I’m not here to bash atheism or atheists. I’m only pointing out that in today’s world religious liberty is increasingly being curtailed. Atheists tend to be well off and privileged people. They either live in parts of the world that are relatively free (North America, Europe) or in other parts of the world where atheism is promoted by the state (China). Where exactly are they being mistreated on account of their atheism?

Coming back to the subject of libertarianism and individualism vs authoritarianism and collectivism, I feel that all of us, despite our religious and cultural differences, should unite in favor of libertarian and anarchist tendencies. A snake handler from Appalachia and a Haredi Jew in Brooklyn are culturally very different, but both of their religious liberty is threatened by rising political trends. Even atheists should support religious liberty for all and not just for themselves.
We have to start by smashing the foundation of the modern nation state, i.e., the concept of a single nationhood. We need to reject that we are a single nation but instead we are multiple nations coexisting in a single polity, and each of us need our own space and freedom to pursue our own destiny. We are all integrated into a single economic and political system, but that doesn’t mean we have to be forced to think of ourselves as a single nation. Let’s call for limiting the state and allow communities and populations greater autonomy to live the life they want.

(November 29, 2018 at 10:11 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(November 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm)Amarok Wrote: Humans don't willingly inflict harm on each other Thomas Hobbes would like a word with you

Yeah, the funny thing about politics is there's really two aspects to political theory: theory and practice. It's not hard to see the appeal in anarchism; its critique of the oppressive power structures is often dead on (then again, I think the same of Hobbes' "war of all against all"); I suppose, if it just boiled down to that, I'd consider myself an anarchist, too. However, the thing is, the assumptions that most forms of anarchism hinge on (especially for their planned solutions, and particularly the claim that it's reasonable to expect that, in the absence of power structures, humans can just sit down and sing Kumbaya) simply cannot be applied to planet Earth (in the interest of fairness, Hobbes' defense of absolutist government falls apart just as quickly; after all, said monarch is still one of the same men who are wolves to men, and, at best, they can just redirect the brutality to particular targets).  

Also, Massive text sizes are to be used sparingly. They just make whatever you have to say look like an eyesore. Just use the default text size.

I basically agree with everything you wrote. And apologies for the text size, I rectified the situation.
Hobbes's political philosophy is essentially based on the idea that people are trash and need to be controlled. That is the fundamental difference.
I agree that practically in today's world you need a state given the massive amount of population and how complex we have become.
I appreciate law and the intricacies of the legal system. However, I do feel that the laws need to be simplified and streamlined.
The problem is you have legislatures which each year keep on adding more and more laws to the books as opposed to eliminating superfluous and needless laws.
My philosophy is the more laws there are the less free a society is. The ideal is that there should be the minimum amount of basic and essential laws and people should generally be free to do what they want to do.

(November 29, 2018 at 10:58 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:
(November 29, 2018 at 10:51 pm)Cherub786 Wrote: Like I said, when atheists persecute the religious it may not be in the name of a deity (obviously) but why does it have to be in the name of anything? Persecution is persecution regardless of motivation. When atheists persecute the religious it is simply because the atheists don't like religion and having contempt for the religious.
You're still trying to sell snake oil, lol.  None of your boogeymen were "atheists persecuting religion because they didn't like religion".  They were despots persecuting dissidents.  They fucking -love- their own pet religions.  

I get that you've had this line of garbage jammed into you head, but you have to stop listening to whomever is doing that to you.  

Quote:You say that the medieval inquisitions and examples of religious violence were proportionately as bad if not worse than the 20th century wars, purges and ethnic cleansing in the context of their time and means available to them. I beg to differ.
OFC you would, you have religions to excuse and paint as victims, and you'll certainly need to find some way to ambulate around the fact that their victimizers were also religious by brute force of demographics.  

Quote:The truth is that if you look at the Spanish Inquisition, only about 1% of the total people who were tried were executed. That pales in comparison to the number of people that have been killed unjustly by 20th century authoritarian states with atheism as their official ideology, even if you want to compare proportionately.
-and again you shit the bed.

Quote:And if you say that the atrocities committed by atheist states really had nothing to do with atheism but was about power and politics, the same is certainly true for the old religious wars. Religion was only used as a pretext for underlying motivations of wanting power.
-and again.

Quote:As for me listening to alt-right material...it's simple "know thy enemy". As a racial and religious minority I'm probably more at risk from the rise of the Far-Right than you are. Of course I have a greater interest in understanding them than a white atheist who can afford to ignore them.
You're more at risk of picking up their nonsense by contact, as well....which you have.  I notice that you still don't realize that you're parroting rightwing american christer propaganda from the cold war.  More than a little bit of irony there, considering the OPQ, don't you think?

I'm immune, through long exposure, lol.  I can't actually ignore them..though, because they're fucking up my country and have been for some time, just as they've been fucking everything up since time immemorial...not that you see any of that....ofc.

Jerkoff

Pardon me, but you've go to limit the acronyms so I can understand what you're talking about.

I admit what you call "Cold War propaganda" does appeal to me and influence me a lot. But I've studied just how bad communism and collectivism are. As a religious person, I am naturally allergic to communism and Marxism.
There is a reason why the US prevailed and ultimately won the Cold War. The other side was indeed an evil empire, an Orwellian state whose vision was a boot permanently stomping on the human face.

I feel that humanists need to focus more on railing against authoritarianism and statism and less on religion. Religion isn't the threat to human liberty, but statism certainly is the greatest threat and always has been. If humanist are so concerned about humanity they should realize this before anything else.
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Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by no one - November 29, 2018 at 1:17 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:18 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:24 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Amarok - November 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Angrboda - November 30, 2018 at 10:08 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by no one - November 29, 2018 at 1:24 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 2:01 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:50 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 2:16 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 2:30 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 2:45 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 2:53 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 29, 2018 at 2:55 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 3:00 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 9:56 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by brewer - November 29, 2018 at 3:58 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 10:06 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 10:27 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Rev. Rye - November 29, 2018 at 10:11 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Minimalist - November 29, 2018 at 10:34 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 10:34 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 10:51 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 10:58 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 11:07 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by WinterHold - November 30, 2018 at 12:02 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 30, 2018 at 12:28 am
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by WinterHold - November 30, 2018 at 1:10 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 11:28 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 11:54 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Rev. Rye - November 29, 2018 at 11:41 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 11:44 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 30, 2018 at 12:47 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by DodosAreDead - November 30, 2018 at 3:38 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 30, 2018 at 12:50 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 30, 2018 at 1:07 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 30, 2018 at 5:02 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 30, 2018 at 11:01 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 30, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 30, 2018 at 11:56 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by WinterHold - November 30, 2018 at 12:02 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 30, 2018 at 12:06 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by WinterHold - November 30, 2018 at 12:19 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 30, 2018 at 12:30 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 30, 2018 at 12:43 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by WinterHold - November 30, 2018 at 1:40 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 30, 2018 at 12:49 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 30, 2018 at 1:12 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by WinterHold - December 1, 2018 at 1:17 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by LastPoet - December 1, 2018 at 12:07 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by LastPoet - December 1, 2018 at 8:23 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by WinterHold - December 2, 2018 at 4:30 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - December 2, 2018 at 6:34 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by WinterHold - December 2, 2018 at 11:53 am
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - December 4, 2018 at 7:49 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - December 5, 2018 at 12:26 pm
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