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Am I an Anarchist?
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RE: Am I an Anarchist?
(November 30, 2018 at 12:28 am)Cherub786 Wrote: The war to liberate Afghanistan from Soviet invasion was totally justified. And the Mujahidin were not all "Wahhabis". They represented every religious sect and ethnic group. Pashtuns, Tajiks, Hazara, Uzbeks along with Sunnis, Shiites, Salafis and Sufis. All fought in that war to liberate their country from Soviet Union. The Soviets were desecrating mosques, defiling copies of the Quran, raping Afghan women, bombing defenseless villages, etc. You should watch the movie Charlie Wilson's War, it accurately depicts the horrors inflicted on Afghanistan by the Soviets.

I am no fan of Saudi Arabia, but to think that Saudi Arabia is worse than Kim Jong Un's North Korea is disingenuous. And for that matter, the worst places in the Middle East are not theocracies but secular fascist states that follow the Baathist ideology, like when Iraq was under Saddam and currently Syria under Assad who is using chemical weapons against children in his lust for power.

Btw, Saudi war on Yemen and its sudden turn toward authoritarianism and autocracy is under the leadership of its current crown prince MBS. MBS is actually against the Wahhabi clerics and wants to make Saudi Arabia more socially free but not politically free. He allows women to drive but will imprison and torture those same women if they speak out against the regime. The recent Khashoggi drama is a perfect example of how the most secular and supposedly liberal leaders in the Middle East are also the most depraved. General Sisi, Khalifa Haftar, Bouteflika, Assad are all Middle Eastern leaders that are secular and want to curtail religious liberty of their own people.

I'm not defending the USSR, rather I'm criticizing the American move that created an organized Islamic front to fight the USSR, using its Wahhabi allies from Saudi Arabia as a main immobilizing component for foreign and local fighters.

I will let the sources talk:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen#Afghanistan

Quote:Although the mujahideen were aided by the Pakistani, U.S., and Saudi governments, the mujahideen's primary source of funding was private donors and religious charities throughout the Muslim world—particularly in the Persian Gulf. Jason Burke recounts that "as little as 25 per cent of the money for the Afghan jihad was actually supplied directly by states."[13]
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Quote:However, the mujahideen did not establish a united government, and many of the larger mujahideen groups [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Civil_War_(1992%E2%80%931996)]began to fight each other over power in Kabul. After several years of devastating fighting, a village mullah named Mohammed Omar organized a new armed movement with the backing of Pakistan. This movement became known as the Taliban ("students" in Pashto), referring to how most Taliban had grown up in refugee camps in Pakistan during the 1980s and were taught in the Saudi-backed Wahhabi madrassas, religious schools known for teaching a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam. Veteran mujahideen confronted this radical splinter group in 1996.

Saudi Arabia was the fuel that gave that war its Wahhabi schools, its extreme Jihadi thought.
Osama bin Laden himself was a Saudi.

And hence; who remained are the Taliban. And the Taliban studied at Saudi backed Wahhabi schools. Right?

The soviets did commit atrocities, just like the American soldiers in Iraq in 2003, and just like Mohammed bin Salman ordering his thugs to hack Jamal Kashoggi and melt him in acid. If you wanted the truth; MBS is a disgusting man.

The Sauds are raping women in prisons, and reports were made to HRW.


I underlined a part in your post and made it bold. The Baathists were bad, but the Shiite government that came after them is even worse. They both score 0 on the human rights scale and they both are led by criminals who deserve execution. But TBH Saddam had more dignity, at least he didn't torture his people with an American tank. He did it himself.
Ruthless? yes. Deserves death? yes. But the Shiite government that came riding the American tank is no better. Both are an embarrassment to humanity and Islam. Look at Iraq now.

As for MBS. No, the man is not after something "great and complicated" like liberating his people from religion; the man is after collecting an empire of cash and it's easier to do that when you win the favor of the "west" by trying to mimic western basic habits and if the mimicry failed he pays a lot of money in bribes, flaunting in front of the world and brutalize his foes -just like he did to Kashoggi-, he is a child unworthy of his rank. He wasted the country's money on children dreams -like the 2030 plan-, the bribes to Trump and on failed wars and conflicts.

Assad is liberal? I will respect you because you are new here. But what I saw the Syrian government -under commands from Assad himself- do to the people of Syria is just making me put a huge question mark on how you dare to call this pig a liberal? this pig bombarded children with chemical weapons, gassed them just because their "city of birth" protested against him.
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Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by no one - November 29, 2018 at 1:17 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2018 at 1:18 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:23 pm
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RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Cherub786 - November 29, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Amarok - November 29, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by Angrboda - November 30, 2018 at 10:08 am
RE: Am I an Anarchist? - by no one - November 29, 2018 at 1:24 pm
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