(November 30, 2018 at 12:19 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:(November 30, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Truth of the matter is that we "won" the cold war (then againb...take a look at the current state of the whitehouse) because we organized and funded a massive campaign of global subversion and proxy war. The soviets weren't as good at that game as we are, and their wallets weren't long enough withstand the siege. The current owners of the russian fed appear to have been taking notes, though!
Or, you know, blah blah blah, reaganite "evil empire".
Yes, that is what I was saying to cherub786: the U.S won that war, and utilized its allies perfectly (used the men from Saudi Arabia, used the intelligence reports of Pakistan, and used its own media and propaganda and weapon technology) to form a deformed strong fist that took the USSR down for good.
The future brought the Russians back as they learned from the Afghani experience, and flipped the table against the U.S.A: Russia created its own Islamic proxy -represented in the Shiite camp in the Middle East- to confront the American Sunni proxy.
Russia is supporting Assad (a Shiite), Iran (a Shiite state) while the U.S is supporting Saudi Arabia (a Sunni state).
The soviets weren't good at the game. But Putin has plans to change that.
I acknowledge the Americans, CIA and Pentagon greatly helped the Afghan mujahideen, especially with those stinger missiles. It was a beautiful operation, and it was for a good cause. How does that change anything?
The point I'm making is that the Afghan people were simply having none of that communist nonsense. It was only after the Americans saw their thirst for freedom and their willingness to fight did they realize they had an opportunity to undermine the Soviets without getting their own hands dirty.
If the Afghan people just sat back and allowed their country to become a Soviet satellite state like all those satellite states in Eastern Europe, there would never have been this opportunity to help the Mujahideen.
What this shows us is that certain peoples have different temperaments and different political cultures. Some like the Afghans obviously value freedom a lot and are allergic to authoritarianism.