RE: Science is inherently atheistic
December 2, 2018 at 7:30 am
(This post was last modified: December 2, 2018 at 7:35 am by Amarok.)
(December 1, 2018 at 11:59 pm)Belaqua Wrote:1. Intellectual commencements that have nothing to do with atheism(December 1, 2018 at 10:55 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Your leaders are saying to embrace the atheist church.
I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to say that atheism per se is a religion. It's true what we atheists often point out: that in the strict sense atheism is merely a lack of belief in a god or gods.
Nonetheless, we atheists would be disingenuous if we used this strict definition to avoid admitting that each of us has some intellectual commitments by which we judge things, and even some metaphysical principles. And that by and large, the atheists posting here share nearly all of those commitments and principles.
For example, an atheist could be a sort of Neitzschean fundamentalist who holds that the universe is in fact pure chaos, and any order we think we perceive is an illusion created by the mind. That would be compatible with atheism, and there may even be some such atheists out there.
As far as I can tell, though, every atheist posting on this site (and any other atheist site I have visited) is not such an atheist. We all share the commitment that the facts science tells us are a more or less accurate representation of the way the world is (this is a metaphysical view).
We hold that the types of evidence given for religious belief (e.g. natural theology, revelation, etc.) do not constitute persuasive evidence, based on our principles concerning what constitutes good evidence. When an atheist says he doesn't believe in God because there is a complete lack of evidence, what he is saying is that he has certain views on what evidence must be, he has evaluated religion's claims based on these views, and he has formed a judgment.
So the repetition of certain slogans, like bald not being a hair color, shouldn't let us atheists ignore the fact that we do have beliefs (where the term "belief" simply means "I hold it to be true.") And every atheist arguing with you here is a member of a group which shares nearly all of these beliefs in common.
Which doesn't mean that atheism per se is a religion. But it does mean that your interlocutors here share a system of beliefs.
2. Weather an atheist is Neitzschean fundamentalist has nothing to do with atheism
3. Accepting Science is not a metaphysical view
4. Not accepting Religious claims is not using a view
5. A belief any atheist my personnelly hold is just that
6.Nope it's not a shared system of beliefs
You are imposing things on Atheism that aren't there .
(December 1, 2018 at 9:30 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:1. Giving people the same rights as a religion does not make it a religion(December 1, 2018 at 9:16 pm)LastPoet Wrote: It does? Indeed I am not from that place, but the majority of the users here are from there and I never heard them say atheism its a religion implied by law O.O.
And its not belief. Its not believing if you can't tell the difference between believing and not believing, I am afraid you don't have much grasp on simple logic.
In Dec 2016 President Obama signed an update to the U.S. Religious Freedom Act to make it inclusive of atheists.
Here is the first paragraph from NBC News and their report on it. Feel free to read the rest, but I'm not posting the whole thing.
"When President Barack Obama signed an update to U.S. law protecting religious freedom late last week, one provision drew special attention: U.S. law now recognizes non-believers as, in essence, a religious group."
You still get to believe what you like, so no reason to be offended. You also get religious protection from matters involving the USA. So congratulations on your win.
You also have your own mega churches and sing hymns. Mostly on Sunday. They even pass around an offering plate that looks like a red and white striped Dr. Seuss hat from Cat in the Hat. That's pretty cool.
2. The atheist church are a cult
(December 1, 2018 at 10:55 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:Atheism does not have any leaders so this statement is nonsense and as i said the Atheist church is a cult .(December 1, 2018 at 10:47 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You're losing your grip bud, lol.
Be nice. Your leaders are saying to embrace the atheist church. Even if you disagree with other atheists on it, you must follow what the leaders have set before you. It's fine though. It's an observation of modern day evolutionary change. Yesterday, no church, today church. Yesterday, no hymns, today atheist hymns. Yesterday, no offering plate. Today, atheist offering plate with tax deductions. Yesterday, eat at home alone. Today, atheist potluck.
Hey, if you invite me to one of your potlucks, it's a "yes" in advance, and we don't even have to argue, or talk about anything as far as that goes.
Anyway, "Secular Talk" says it's okay to copy all this. So don't be mad at me. I'm agreeing with him on it.
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