Science is inherently atheistic

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We actually do not know what gravity is, although we pretty much do know how it impacts the natural world.

We do not yet know the root cause for gravity. Some people suspect a particle called "graviton", but we actually dont know.

Gravity can be defined and applied within the natural world.  Its attributes are testable, repeatable, and verifiable with the same result in subsequent testing.

We know gravity is "force", and knowing the root cause is irrelevant to apply it to the natural world.  It's just a subject for future study. Scientific study in regards to anything is meant to be expansive, not exclusive.

If you want to believe otherwise, then great, but I like to stick to the basics. Respectfully it's unlikely anybody is going to convince me that a vampire (that turn into bats), wolfman, or specter can be included in scientific study as subjects.

If they actually existed, there would be no major problem with studying them through the scientific method. But, of course, they do not, so there is not a science of these things.

Is gravity a 'force', or a curvature of spacetime? What does it even mean to be a 'force'? isn't it simply a description of how certain things interact? In other words, observed patterns of behavior?

And again, many of the issues you point to are common with studying *any* sort of living thing. There frequently is not a lot of consistency in how a living thing behaves, so we do not expect the same results with subsequent testing. That doesn't mean that science is impossible with living things.

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Did you even pause to consider how your current complaint fits in with my argument?  You're confirming what I argued, dumbfoundedly thinking you're not.

First, I like you and think you're intelligent.  I've read other comments you've made and I think you're right about a lot of things, but we're just going to have to agree to disagree here.  So don't feel like I'm discounting you altogether.

What I said isn't a complaint. It's just adherence to a set of standards. If I begin to deviate from those standards just because someone insists I should  due to them believing they have a better way, then they must show me why their alternate standard is better and/or optimal.  In this case, I'm going to stick to the standards of scientific study which don't include making claims about magical vampires that walk through walls and turn into bats.  On the other hand, gravity is an excepted phenomenon in the natural world.  We may not know everything about it, but we don't have to.  That just means there's room for further study.

But, for example, we can study neutrinos with the scientific method. And neutrinos *do* go through walls (and even the whole Earth) with little issue. They also change types in flight.

The issue is whether the phenomenon in question can be detected and if there is any consistent behavior that we can find. If there is, then the scientific method can be used to investigate it.

Now, if vampires did exist and turn into bats, that would be an *incredibly* interesting thing from a scientific point of view. It would mean, among other things, that conservation of mass is strongly violated. Such would, in and of itself, demand much more study and consideration of the details of when it is possible. And actual verification of a vampire turning into a bat would be a *huge* thing on the scientific side of things.