If you're an Atheist, what comforts you?

[Angrboda]

I never said that their difference was based in their DNA, only that difference could serve as a substantial ground for identity.  A fact which you simply confirm.

Blatant dishonesty. We all know what you meant in the context of that statement. I said that harmful isms like racism appeal to non-religious people, then you attempted to cite the example of the ancient Israelites, being separate from the Canaanites supposedly because of race/ethnicity, to counter my statement.

Now you claim the religious difference could serve as a substantial ground for identity. No that's not what you originally meant, if it was, that's what I've already been arguing.

You've got a healthy imagination, I'll credit you with that. My only point was that human differences in general can and do provide a significant foundation for identity. The differences the Jews were basing their identity upon was neither stated, nor was it implied that it was the same as those who found their identity on difference in race. The difference between the Jews and other Canaanites was some mix of ethnic and religious differences, although it's possible race was involved as well, I'd have to see some support of that before I draw any conclusions. So, no, I didn't claim what you think I claimed and your accusation of dishonesty is without merit. I was referring to difference in general, and specifically the difference between an atheist and a theist in that one is motivated by religion and the other is not. It had absolutely nothing to do with race or DNA. That idea is solely a product of your imagination.

What do they have in common?  You mean other than being human and thus having essentially the same human nature and ultimately the same goals and aspirations?   You mean other than that?  As a matter of fact, some humanists do consider our interconnectedness and interdependence with the animal and plant world an important plank in their humanism.  You haven't shown anything wrong with this, or that it is an unsound basis for identity, you've simply ridiculed it.  An appeal to ridicule is worthless for making a point.  As earlier discussed, identifying with something larger than yourself is a fundamental source of meaning and significance, so identifying with the human race and indeed all of life on this earth itself would be very significant and a rich source of meaningful identity.  That you find more meaning in believing yourself different from the Koreans or the Zebra is simply a choice that you have made.  Your having made that choice does not in any way show that your choice is better than that of such humanists, especially on the core value of a meaningful identity.  Meaning is based upon associating with something larger than yourself, remember?  That's why you've chosen to associate yourself with God.  By considering themselves a part of the larger animal and plant world, the humanist is actually associating themselves with something larger than you are in associating with a much smaller religious group.  You've actually shown the reverse of what you intended to show.

(And you "considering" being human incidental to being human is just laughable.)

What same goals and aspirations? Do I have the same goals and aspirations of a zombie peasant in North Korea or a naked hunter-gatherer in the Amazon? I don't even have the same goals and aspirations as you have, unless you are willing to admit that secular humanism seeks to impose its own goals and aspirations on the rest of us.

Interdependence is a basis for identity? I'm also dependent on the sun for its heat and light.

Humanists have not found anything greater than themselves. They are trying to make themselves greater. Big difference.

If you don't have the goal of living and thriving and seeing your plans come to fruition, then I'd like you to prove it by killing yourself, here, and now. You can videotape your suicide, or livestream it for us.

Otherwise you can do a whole lot of shutting up.