RE: Science can prove a god must exist
September 30, 2011 at 7:53 am
(This post was last modified: September 30, 2011 at 7:55 am by Zaki Aminu.)
(September 30, 2011 at 7:48 am)Ace Otana Wrote:(September 30, 2011 at 7:44 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: I believe the dictionary indicated this is an archaic meaning of the word "atheism". However, it is also true to say that those who reject the existence of Ultimate Reality and therefore also objective morality can have NOTHING good about them. Even when they appear to do good, it is never by their design - since they reject the existence of objective goodness, and therefore can neither understand nor do it.
And yet here I am just as moral as the next guy. Why is that? My dad is an atheist, he's never done wrong, he even gave blood. Obviously someone has got it wrong. We are not evil, or wicked, and you have no right to go around accusing people of being evil for simply lacking certain beliefs. Shame on you. Would you like it if I accused you of molesting children? For simply believing in something I don't?
Out of the two of us, only you are guilty of accusing people of being evil and wicked. I've accused no one of anything. So who do you think is in the wrong here?
We all are inclined to think the best of ourselves. That doesn't mean that one's self-image is accurate. The fact remains that one cannot actually do good if one does not believe in objective goodness. At best you'd be doing just what pleases you - which is not the same as what is objectively good.
(September 30, 2011 at 7:53 am)Ace Otana Wrote:(September 30, 2011 at 7:48 am)Zaki Aminu Wrote: Well the Original State and Source of all else in Nature - Ultimate Reality - cannot be outside of Nature. On the contrary, It must be the MOST NATURAL thing possible! Whether it is detectable by some or not is a different issue. The blind cannot detect light - but it still exists.
Yeah, yeah whatever. Whatever floats your boat.
I thought you'd agree with my implied assertion that there is NOTHING outside of the NATURAL Universe. Do you just have a need to disagree with me regardless? Hahahahahhhaha!