Is tolerance intolerant?

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You are either missing the point or are being deliberately dense. It's not that you shouldn't be able to things that I don't want to do. It's that you shouldn't be able to do things that harm me.

You want to give yourself lung cancer? Have at it - in your own fucking home where you don't give other people lung cancer as well! Is this really not obvious to you? You really think you should be able to spew poison in public places and anyone who doesn't want to be poisoned should be forced to go somewhere else?

You're missing the point on the public caroling thing too. You or any other private entity are already allowed public expression of religion. That is NOT the same thing as government expression of religion.

The government did not disallow anyone to play, "Baby, it's Cold Outside." The US Government doesn't have that power. One or more private entities made the decision that the lyrics of that song do not reflect the values of modern society. Nobody twisted their wrist.

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It's called second hand smoke and no I should be able my food without gaging on smoke you can do that shit elsewhere

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I am missing the point. It must be over my head. Public vs. private I get. Governments do discriminate and suppress personal rights, but that's a side bar. Let's just keep it in the private sector. You keep missing an alternate perspective. You said " It's not that you shouldn't be able to things that I don't want to do. It's that you shouldn't be able to do things that harm me." The same reason you don't choose live in the middle of a warzone is the same reason you should choose not to eat where people are allowed to smoke. That's why most people frown upon taking babies into smoky bars. If you agree with A and B that :
A. It's my right to smoke where I want
B. I'm smoking in a public place in a designated area
How do you get to C:
C. You complain to the park managers that smokers are smoking in the smoking area and it's bothering your asthma

I think in today's PC times you want to feel justified in your intolerance. I think the management wants to show tolerance by tolerating your opinion, but I'd tell you to GTFO. Mainly because your opinion and presence isan't any better than the smokers in the smoke pit. I think intolerance of intolerance would be my route.

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Nope.

Nope nope nope.

Thus the paradox of tolerance.  



I'm absolutely -not- tolerant of this shit.

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eloquent as always. So maybe tolerance shouldn't be stoven (sp?) for. Maybe equity is a better term. Social equity for all instead of Social tolerance and PCism?

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Is tolerance in intolerance? Interesting question. When I think of Christian bakers refusing to bake a cake for a homosexual couples and them being forced to be tolerant of the homosexual couple, I think: "doesn't freedom of speech give people the right not to say something?". Would we expect a homosexual baker to bake a cake with the words "god hates fags"? I guess it depends on the situation as to whether forcing tolerance is intolerant.

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We'll just talk about individuals to avoid public, private, government and religious sidetracks. If you asked me to bake a cake that said something I disagreed with, I would simply tell you no, I don't agree with that and won't do it. You'd then ask 100 billion other possible bakers to bake you a cake. The onus is on you to get what you want. Most people want to get what they want regardless of anyone else's freedoms or opinions, which makes you intolerant of their opinion. Then you claim discrimination, then the cycle starts. Well the truth is, it is discrimination and that's OK. We all discriminate every day, all the time. As the baker I should be able to discriminate my customers and my work. This is the paradox of intolerance:
- You can't be intolerant without intolerance
- You can be tolerant until there's intolerance
- It's hard to be tolerant of intolerance so tolerance shouldn't be a goal.