RE: KAFIR
December 21, 2018 at 2:30 am
(This post was last modified: December 21, 2018 at 2:52 am by WinterHold.)
(December 19, 2018 at 11:00 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:(December 19, 2018 at 9:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It also means 'nigger'. Just thought you should know.
Boru
There's no difference between usages. That's how the adherents of the religion of peace saw non believers.
But the Quran is saying:
Quote:Sura 3, The Quran:
Sahih International
(113) They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer].
and
Quote:Sura 6, The Quran:
Sahih International
(131) That is because your Lord would not destroy the cities for wrongdoing while their people were unaware.
(132) and for all are degrees from what they have done. And your Lord is not unaware of what they do.
By verse 6, sura 132 I think you're a liar or an ignorant.
Everybody has a degree. You're imagining the Islamic boogyman created in the filthy corridors of the CIA and Saudi Arabia.
(December 19, 2018 at 11:02 am)Cato Wrote: Atlas,
Your view takes a strict normative meaning of kafir without acknowledging its emotive connotations evolved through its use. You must certainly understand that kafir is frequently used as an invective. What are the consequences to Muslims subject to takfir? You can take exception to evolving use of language, but it can't be ignored.
American football commentators started abusing the word differential to refer to a difference in score or some other performance statistic. I continue to loathe its misuse; however, I understand the meaning conveyed and it's ubiquitous use suggests that I would be foolish to expect a return of its original meaning. The same can be said of kafir 's use. It's evolved connotative meaning
will likely never return to its strict literal and normative definition.
The invective use of the word is an indication for how ignorant and gullible the user of the word is.
It is an indication of how the user -who uses the word out of emotional snaps for invective reasons- is turning Islam into a personal property, and turning such a word into a slur.
I didn't use it as a slur. I used it just as it was used in the Quran: to describe rejects of the message of Mohammed.
You are referring to a wide custom of using this word as a slur; as a curse; but I'm stating its real meaning in the OP. Using it like that is a mere superiority-complex mixed with ignorant mentality.
(December 20, 2018 at 7:27 am)Brian37 Wrote:Explain this, Brian:(December 19, 2018 at 9:40 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: For the record, the equivelent of the "n word" is "زنجي Zenjy". Ancient Arabs used "Black Slave" instead of "Zenjy" though.
But Islam gave black people their rights through this famous verse:
Neither the Koran, or Bible or Torah or Talmud or Buddha or Hindu Bagivad Gita give human's rights. Humans evolved with empathy, so when we advocate for human rights as a species, it isn't old mythology doing it, it is our species recognizing others are the same species. You don't need a religion to do the right thing.
Quote:Sura 7, The Quran:
Sahih International
(85) And to [the people of] Madyan [We sent] their brother Shu'ayb. He said, "O my people, worship Allah ; you have no deity other than Him. There has come to you clear evidence from your Lord. So fulfill the measure and weight and do not deprive people of their due and cause not corruption upon the earth after its reformation. That is better for you, if you should be believers.