RE: Is tolerance intolerant?
December 28, 2018 at 2:17 pm
(This post was last modified: December 28, 2018 at 2:22 pm by bennyboy.)
(December 28, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Asian-Americans are culturally conditioned to do well in these tests compared to other racial groups, and yet it's white students that get admitted in their stead.
Think of it this way. White students do better than black students at SAT/ACT because these tests are tailored to the norm that happens to be white male students, but despite this, Asian students do better than white students because Asian students are very well-prepared from kindergarten years to do well on these tests in spite of a lack of racial privilege. Putting aside systemic discrimination and white privilege, there is no solid basis to suggest that white students should do better at these tests (on average) than black students. Asian students doing so well on these tests should be seen as some sort of anomaly, and not as a disproof of white privilege or systemic discrimination when it comes to college admission tests. Hispanic students, Native American students, and students from other minority racial groups don't score as well as white students after all.
See this:
http://theconversation.com/test-prep-is-...ans-107244
One solution would be to limit the timeframe. For example, post a massive text two days before the test-- like a thousand pages long-- and then test comprehension on sequentially finer points to see how much the student was able to assimilate in a short time.
"There is no solid basis. . . " Well, white kids do in fact do better than black ones. I asked you before to look at some specific questions from entrance tests. They seemed culturally neutral, except for one factor-- they would require a high reading level. Specific test-preparation aside (I accept that as a claim against Asian scores, and also as proof that the concept of the IQ test is broken).
I've actually been on the down side of this kind of preparation. In Canada, I had an IQ of either 147 or 165 depending on tests-- though I'd say due to aging I'd be lucky to ever hit 140 any more. I tried out for Mensa, and in order to remove "cultural bias," they had a test with nothing but goddamned picture puzzles. You know the ones: "which image comes next in this series." It was literally me and 300 Korea college kids. Out of the allotted time, it took me about 1 minute to go through the booklet, get some sense of what the differences in the patterns looked like, and ascertain that there would be no verbal or other kinds of question at all. By the time I'd acquainted myself with the booklet, about 25% of them had finished. Let's just say I'm going to have to try again.
(December 28, 2018 at 2:09 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Uncle Moneybags expects a return on his donation investment, what can ya do...right?
If only there were some way NOT to let abstract or arbitrary decision-making into the process. That's the thing-- schools "get to" use race to shoo in a few black kids, but in their holistic approach, I'm pretty sure they also "get to" determine and apply donations or family history at the school, but with a more flattering word than nepotism-- maybe a "celebration of the ongoing legacy of Harvard in American families" or some shit.