Is tolerance intolerant?

[Angrboda]

I'll respond to your post later, if at all, but off the top I'll note two things.  First, you didn't provide citations for all the claims that they were requested for.  And second, you claimed that Asian test scores were an order of magnitude better than that of black affirmative action recipients, not that it is only a fair bit better than those recipients.  So, first of all, you've moved the goalposts.

Unless you really think I was saying Asian scores are 10x better than those of black students, then it should have been pretty clear that I was just emphasizing that the scores are very different.  If your kid said, "OMG I have a million pages of homework!" would you accuse them of lying?

Since you haven't even substantiated your general argument and your use of the Harvard citation, it's a bit of a moot point until you do. If you're saying that you are regularly exaggerating things to make your argument look better than it actually is, then I will take that under advisement. You said what you said. If you meant something different than that, we could have had that discussion instead. (Still can.)

And second, it's not clear that the facts in the Harvard case are a consequence of an explicit or even implicit program of affirmative action.  More troubling is the fact that African-American acceptance rates being high is not necessarily related to the average SAT score of African-American applicants as a whole, so your citation doesn't even show us what you apparently think it does.  The question is whether affirmative action recipients at Harvard have substantially lower scores than Asian acceptees, not whether the average applicant of Asian descent has a higher SAT score than the average applicant of African-American descent.  It would appear that, at first blush, you have some reading comprehension issues.

Apparently you do, too.  I said the AVERAGE APPLICANT of Asian descent has better scores than the AVERAGE ACCEPTEE of African-American descent, by about 20 points.  If you compare acceptee to acceptee, the difference is 63 points.

Well, I apologize for not noting the figures noted on the graph. The text didn't mention the figures in the graph. What you said was that African-American admissions' scores were substantially lower than that of Asian "kids" (not applicants or admits, just kids), implying that African-American students were being accepted over higher admission scores from Asian students solely on consideration of race. The data you've provided doesn't show that, and as far as I know, no judge has ruled thusly so far. Your claim was that you believed that African-American students were being accepted in place of Asian students who had scores that were "a fair bit better," based on the race of African-Americans, which you so far haven't demonstrated. This debate is about affirmative action, not aggregate test scores. As anyone reading the news can attest, Harvard is claiming that the differential is based upon factors other than SAT scores. Your article doesn't settle that debate. Moreover, it's not clear that your citation is even relevant, as the charge against Harvard is not that what Harvard admissions was doing was a program of affirmative action for African-Americans, but rather that it was unintentional race based discrimination against Asians. Since we're not suggesting that uncontrolled and illegal race based discrimination against specific unfavored groups be implemented, the Harvard example, even if true, isn't relevant. What appears to be the case is that Harvard admissions people non-systematically employed racist ideas about Asian students in assessing their performance on criteria not related to test scores. That isn't at all about affirmative action based upon the race of African Americans or on their relative test scores. So, fail.

PS. I had a bad night as a result of some sleep issues and was not at my best when I read and responded to your post, and as I hastily read your citation. My overlooking the graph was neither intentional nor a problem with reading comprehension. I'll try to be less irritable in future.