(December 28, 2018 at 4:28 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(December 28, 2018 at 4:11 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: That's fine, benny, but even if true, that's not an argument against affirmative action unless you're arguing that admissions (or job hiring) should only be based on quantitatively measurable metrics. When you do that, you're not making an argument against affirmative action but simply asserting a preference you have, and one that would mean ignoring any qualitative traits a candidate might possess, or how doing so might negatively impact perfectly justifiable societal goals. You're not arguing against affirmative action per se, but rather that you think other things are preferrable to it. So far, and I still haven't read a lot of your response, your argument is largely ipse dixit and ignores very real factors in maintaining racial disparity (such as prenatal inequity, which your "pay to play" suggestion earlier sounds abhorrent at best, unethical, and likely to simply further racial disparity and inequity than reduce it [primarily by making intelligence contingent upon black mothers giving something back in exchange for correcting social inequities]).
Remember that when I said those things, it was at your request to consider the Republican position. But let's walk through it in a less one-sided way.
The idea with an explicit contract is to make the one thing some single moms can do, raise a baby, her job. She's not meant to be seen as a stupid and valueless citizen whose offspring is a burden to society. She should be seen as a producer of a future American: a soldier, a tax-payer, a future citizen-producer. She is quite literally a productive member of society.
I don't mean this euphemistically. I have a vested interest in seeing America maintain its global influence. That means utilizing all its human resources.
You missed a point as I was posting it while you were replying. In addition to whatever else might be said about your suggestion, you're suggesting that children should pay for their mothers' choices, something I find highly unethical. Whatever else you might say about what a mother's ideal role and contribution to society should be, you're making one person pay for the crimes of another, and that's just flatly wrong.
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