Is tolerance intolerant?

[bennyboy]

Remember that when I said those things, it was at your request to consider the Republican position.  But let's walk through it in a less one-sided way.

The idea with an explicit contract is to make the one thing some single moms can do, raise a baby, her job.  She's not meant to be seen as a stupid and valueless citizen whose offspring is a burden to society.  She should be seen as a producer of a future American: a soldier, a tax-payer, a future citizen-producer.  She is quite literally a productive member of society.

I don't mean this euphemistically.  I have a vested interest in seeing America maintain its global influence.  That means utilizing all its human resources.

You missed a point as I was posting it while you were replying.  In addition to whatever else might be said about your suggestion, you're suggesting that children should pay for their mothers' choices, something I find highly unethical.  Whatever else you might say about what a mother's ideal role and contribution to society should be, you're making one person pay for the crimes of another, and that's just flatly wrong.

Adding support is not removing support.  My goal is to legitimize motherhood as a respected role and job in a productive society, not to more deeply impoverish children whose mothers are irresponsible.  Remember, it is through (a) economic production and (b) a change in views on roles by which I'm hoping to change race perceptions.

Numerically, black people have it bad in pretty much every possible metric, and parenthood is one of them.  66% of black kids are in single-parent families.  So, either the mom is unemployed, in which case the kid is likely to be suffering from malnutrition, or she works, in which case-- what?  The kid is probably sitting at home in front of a TV.

PC is pretty good at saying this or that right should be the focus of the day.  It's not very good, in my opinion, at reconciling multiple rights or the responsibilities that maintain them.  For example, a young black woman has a perfect right to keep a baby if she's pregnant.  And there is no shortage of poor black women who exercise that right multiple times, with multiple partners.  But now what?  What about the rights of the children to a stable and fostering environment?

Should the state, realizing that the mom is going to persistently make poor life choices that perpetuate the clusterfuck correlations that end up in low achievement levels in life, step in?  Should we have state-run gymnasiums teaching kids to march in step?  Sterilization programs for welfare moms with more than three kids?

In essence, this is my position-- if you can't stop people from doing this shit, you might as well own it.  Make it a feature instead of a bug.