RE: why do we enjoy poetry From the perspective of neuroscience?
January 10, 2019 at 3:13 am
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2019 at 3:19 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 6, 2019 at 7:22 am)bennyboy Wrote: This is the essence of the material monist problem:Not seeing the problem.
(1) Believe in a deterministic, mechanistic, objective monism.
(2) Still say that subjective experience is important. Hint at some kind of evolutionary narrative, but don't bother to explain how subjective experience has anything to do with the behavior of the evolved system.
Quote:Unless someone can demonstrate substantial differences between subjective experiencing machines (e.g. brains) and non-subjective experiences machines (e.g. super-convincing androids 50 years from now), then there's a problem.Why? I think that you may have mistaken who/what the bit above would be a problem for. It's not an issue for material monism..it's an issue for folks who need to feel unique and special, lol. In a material monists world where there were convincing androids........there would be convincing androids. It's not as if the fabric of space and time would rip open.
We're natures very own bioautomotons...and yet we scoff at the idea of other automata.
Quote:The first step would be-- demonstrate that subjective experience exists, anywhere and in any form, using purely objective observation (hint: it can't be done!)OFC it can be, to the same standard and by the same means as any other observation/explanation about the world.
(January 9, 2019 at 8:07 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Panpsychism seems like a sensible philosophical idea to me, especially given the observer effect and quantum eraser effect in QM. I do not like what I call brain-waving as an explanatory device (i.e. wave toward the brain and say "obviously, that's what makes consciousness!").
I'd probably even go with an idealistic monism before a material one. But all of these have the same problem-- how could we, even theoretically, move from sensible philosophy to an attempt at confirmed knowledge?
Simply, in the case of a material monism - pretty much as we have been. That's what made (contemporary)idealism ultimately give way and reconcile itself to materialism. The sheer amount of evidence is overwhelming, and the material explanations both compelling..and fruitful.
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