Are you responsible?

[Shell B]

Are you high? I've seen this tactic used in actual gun debates where both sides were debating the topic openly. It's very common. That said, so isn't the debate about whether car owners should be culpable if someone uses their car in committing a crime. People are way too fucking fond of calling everything they don't like trolling.

No, you just accused people of bait and switch even though no switch ever happened, and then went happily down memory lane and your brain glossed your worldview over the fact that no switch ever happened. People are constantly accusing others of talking about something other than they are talking about, and they are always absolutely certain that they are right, and they are routinely totally wrong, but in their rearview mirror they were right every single time, and then they say goofy things about having seen bait and switch in hundreds or thousands of discussions. And every one of those times was just a time when they accused someone of bait and switch, but no switch ever happened.

Now Brian admits that he is trolling this discussion intentionally, and he says that he intends to keep doing it, and he apparently intends to always force a thread to be a gun thread. My guess is that OLB's threads are targeted by him, since OLB is a gun enthusiast. The guy is a factual troll. And you've been in here encouraging him with your 'well maybe this is a bait and switch discussion so maybe it really is a gun thread' nonsense.  No, it's not a gun thread. It a thread that's being trolled by Brian with help from you there, moderator.

I didn't accuse anyone here of a bait and switch. In fact, I have very purposefully not done that because a switch didn't happen here, whether it's because Brian called it or not is not for me to know because I don't read fucking minds. I said, the argument is one I've seen used as a bait and switch. You know how I know that? Because the switch fucking happened during those conversations. I also went on to add that this conversation, minus any switch, is still a legitimate conversation to have, so I don't have any evidence, nor do I think, that a bait and switch is what's going on here. My only point is that Brian isn't just blowing shit out of his ass when he says it's a common tactic. It is. Where we diverge is whether that's what's going on here. As for me, I don't rightly care. I just think a bunch of people are acting like the idea that someone would use a car as an analogy for a gun is just absurd when it's clearly not absurd if it's a common argument.